Sweet Burgundy

I was in Burgundy just last week.

Excellent 2011’s chez Vincent Dauvissat. No premox here. We tasted a Petit Chablis 1996, Sechet 2000 and Forest 1990. All there were insolently young. To think that the Petit Chablis had been open for 4 days and Sechet for 5 days !

Nicolas Groffier’s 2012’s (barrel samples, pre-malo) and his Gevrey Village 2011 were to die for.

There was an orgy of wines chez Anne Gros. It was open house for her trade clients.
There were 50 - 100 bottles open : her Minervois wines, her husband’s wines (Tollot Beaut), many wines made with/by her father dating back to 1993, all her 2011’s. As there were too of them, I just went for all of the Echezeaux and Richebourg. And after all that, Elodie asked whether we wanted to taste the 2012’s !

Some very good 2011’s chez Faiveley. The Bienvenues-Batard 2011 ranks among the best grand crus I’ve tasted.

Khiem

Not sure why you would expect to find premox in a 2011 Chablis, or be able to predict whether or not it might occur with time. But I hope you are right!

Chuck,

I was referring to the older Chablis, which I tasted this time and on other occasions.
Dauvissat doesn’t seem to have a problem with premox. His wines seem to be able to age forever…

Khiem

Thanks for the report. I have not had the 11 Dauvissat GCs yet but 1er crus are major disappointment for me, too much green/pyrazine note also lacking concentration. We earnk the 93 AG Richeboug which was monumental.

interesting. Bought a few of the Clos from 2011. Might have to crack one.

I will also try the Clos once I get em. The 1er crus definitely are too green and lacks concentration.

I have to disagree. My batting average with old dauvissats wouldn’t get me past AA baseball.

Raveneau on the other hand…

All of the Dauvissats I’ve drunk (1983, 1989, 1990, 1996, numerous 2001’s / 2003’s / 2004’s) were tasted at the Domaine or bought from the Domaine and transported back home in good conditions.

I wonder if that has a played a part in my not encountering any pre-moxed wine.

On the other hand, you guys seem to have drunk more Dauvissats than me. Maybe my experience is too limited.

It’s just that when I drink his older wines, they seem so young and fresh that it’s difficult to imagine them being hit by premox.

Khiem

I’d say I’ve had about 70% ox on dauvissat in recent years!

Kevin,

Sorry to hear you didn’t like the 1er crus. I liked them. I found them to rather “open” and enjoyable for such young Chablis.

I admit that the 2010’s (tasted last year) were superior.

If you guys visit, there’s a good chance that you’ll be tasting with his daughter Etiennette. A very motivated and knowledgeable person.

She and her brother have become very involved in the domaine. They’ve bought a bit of Montée de Tonnerre but the vineyard is in bad shape. So no MdT under the Dauvissat name for a while.

Khiem

Khiem,
I had the 11 Sechet, Vaillons and Forest and all displays noticeable pyrazine note. I have not gotten the GCs.

I thought this thread was going to be about sweet wines from Burgundy. I’ve never heard of any – is there such a thing?

Counterintuitively, that has nothing to do with it.

Domaine de la Bongran makes sweet wine assuming that Macon is considered as Burgundy.

what other vintages have you noticed pyrazine on whites?

2004

Sorry, Chris.
I was referring to the region when I said “sweet Burgundy.” Not its wines.

Kevin,
When you say pyrazine, do you mean petrol ?

I found this definition on
http://www.terroirexperience.com/vin/pyrazine-796-p.html
“Pyrazine: molécule présente naturellement dans le vin fermenté à l’origine des odeurs de cacao, de café et de poivron.”

I didn’t notice much of a bouquet in the Forest and Sechets. The Vaillons was more “flowery.”

Khiem

he’s talking greenie meanies.

Macon is indeed “Burgundy”