I have been coming to this forum from time to time in the past 2 years since the beginning of my wine journey. Unfortunately for my wallet, I came to the realization that burgundy is my favorite region. So far my wine cellar includes mostly cote chalonnaise/beaune red/white (dureuil-janthial, des croix, joblots, pavelot…) with a couple exception in cote de nuit (Rion, 1 bottle of d’angerville, Arlot)
I always find it really hard to buy bottles of a producer I never tasted with the price in Cote de nuits… and will have to wait 8-10-15 years before it comes around and be able to taste it to figure out if I like it. So I am turning to you guys…
To give you an idea of my taste at the moment, so far my favorite PN as been Domaine de l’arlot cote de nuit 2019… I live in Canada so buying wine is through monopoly and buying back vintage is impossible and top tier producers such as Dujac, Mugnier, Roumier etc are almost impossible to get…
I am looking at a case (3 bottles) of Gouges les chaignots 2017 or Anne Gros Chambolle-Musigny en Orveaux 2019 which are exactly the same price (360$ CAD)… should I buy one of these or just pass and wait for a better opportunity. Gouges makes me worried because all I hear is that they take decadeS to come around, on the other side I hear AG is sometime over oaked.
Gouges now isnt the Gouges of old…, but any NSG wine needs a fair bit of time to come around. Anne Gros has had a generational change in winemaker recently (and I havent tried them) but they are a reliable source of good quality juice. Maybe keep an eye out for some Hudelot Noellat BR or village or some Bruno Clevalier as well
Ain’t nothing wrong with your holdings in Côte Chalonnaise or Beaune. The four you quoted will give you a lot of enjoyment!
QC? ON? BC? Other? If it’s Quebec, I can give you some advice on some IP or SAQ arrivals for Burgundy that could be of interest.
I agree that Gouges is more accessible than it was. The last one I tried was a Porrets 2018 and it was too ripe and hot for my taste but it was definitely drinkable in its current form. And that is true for a lot of young Burgundy. They might not show the evolution you are looking for but they will be darn delicious and will hint at their potential. So I would say, buy without fear and taste them.
Again, if you are in Quebec, the lottery that just ended could have provided you with some nice opportunities. The Anne Gros CM La Combe d’Orveau 2019 is coming out this week in SAQ but so is the Amiot Servelle CM village. And so is the Cyprien Arlaud MSD Clos Solon. And you won’t be breaking the bank. You could also turn to Fixin and Marsannay if you want to start on a lower price tag.
So, try a few, even young and see if the profile speaks to you. You’ll know quickly enough if you want to continue on the Côte de Nuits. And guess what… you will!
Thanks for the reply. I am from Qc and had absolutely 0 luck on the lottery last week and has you said I was looking a Anne Gros next week or the gouges in IP…
I never heard of Arlaud but a quick search made me interested and the price seems fair. I am open to every suggestions.
Try to find a tasting group so that you can explore a wider variety of producers for less individual outlay. Also, large tasting events like La Paulee offer an opportunity to taste many different producers from (usually) one vintage, so you can get a sense of styles, albeit while young.
Phil, welcome to the dark side. To get you started, read these two threads.
Second, I note that you have on your list of Cote de Nuits wine producers being d’Angerville. d’Angerville mostly makes wines from Volnay, which is in the Cote de Beaune, not the Cote de Nuits. I make this note because I think a lot of your focus should be on the Cote de Beaune. Unfortunately, wines from the very top Volnay producers like d’Angerville and Lafarge are not the great values they were for so many years, Volnay has so many wonderful producers that it still is possible to get the wines are relatively good prices. Then, there is another Cote de Beaune village that I think of as being the most overlooked village for red wines in the Cote d’Or - Chassagne Montrachet. Everyone things of CM as being for white wines, but look for threads from people like Don Cornutt or Michael Chang praising the reds from the village from producers like Ramonet, Bernard Moreau and Paul Pillot. Then, look for wines from Savigny les Beaune or Pernand Vergelesses from Chandon de Briailles. Chandon de Briailles - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers
In the Cote de Nuits, certainly, I like most people are now priced out of a lot of producers. But, one producer who is outstanding and has wines in all price ranges is Hudelot-Noellat. Everything I have had from the winery is outstanding at its level from Richebourg and Romanee St. Vivant at nosebleed levels down to Bourgogne Rouge at more reasonable levels. In between, look at his villages wines from Chambolle Musigny or Vosne Romanee. Another producer with excellent villages level wines is Trapet. Also, look for Pierre Amiot https://www.ansoniawines.com/learn-wines-region/burgundy/pierre-amiot-et-fils/ and Rossignol-Trapet for excellent wines at pretty good prices.
And, finally, don’t overlook the top larger negociants - Jadot (for more powerful wines), Drouhin (for more elegant wines) and Bouchard (for more opulent wines).
In each case, start slowly and learn the producers YOU like best without buying higher end wines (or even multiple bottles from anyone at the beginning. If you can find wines from vintages like 2014 and 2017, they are very attractive wines that, while still primary, can be drunk now with enjoyment. I just had last night a 2017 Domaine Heitz-Lochardet Pommard 1er Cru Monopole “Clos des Poutures” that was fabulous.
But, most importantly, watch these:
At least in the US, I would start out with wines under $100 and some even under $50.
Phil D - I would like to add on some comments to what Howard said of William Kelly who recommended highly Claude Dugat Gervey village 2019.
This wine Claude Dugat - Gevrey 19 (1478-4838 at $171.25 ) was just released some days ago on-line by SAQ on 21 April 2022. It was all gone despite a limit of 6 per customer.
Curretly SAQ has just released some of Dugat’s Negoc’s wines under the name : La Gibryotte.
The bourgogne 2019 is at $ 45.75 ( 1479-2088 ). SAQ still have 19 bottles left.
The Gervey village ( 1479-2053 ) 2019 is at $95.25 and the 1er cru Gervey ( 1479-2045 ) 2019 is at $ 157.25.
I suggest you should buy one or two bottles of the Bourgogne 2019 and tried it first…
