Some really nice deals on Zind Humbrecht

[Robert_Pollard-Smith]

@LColhouer

@RS Beck

…that was weird.

No. Those are all the “normal” tired arguments. Reminds me of Bob (or is it Gus McCrae ) trashing CF. So you don’t like the style…why waste your time slowing down for the cheap shots? I’m sure Loren is gratified to have started this thread.

Gosh, are you folks that, uhhh, oblivious, that you are not seeing the obvious sarcasm, with the intent of Enzo to diminish the competition (and keep the prices down) for the most glorious juice? Happens almost daily around here (and elsewhere, if there’s anyone around).

Here is another instance of the same modus…

Another Shitty '07 Oregon Pinot Noir

[Enzo_Ruffalo]

[Eric_LeVine]

Wait, this was sarcasm? I’m so confused…

[Robert_Pollard-Smith]

@Enzo Ruffalo

@Robert Pollard-Smith

@LColhouer

No. Those are all the “normal” tired arguments. Reminds me of Bob (or is it Gus McCrae ) trashing CF. So you don’t like the style…why waste your time slowing down for the cheap shots? I’m sure Loren is gratified to have started this thread.

Gosh, are you folks that, uhhh, oblivious, that you are not seeing the obvious sarcasm, with the intent of Enzo to diminish the competition (and keep the prices down) for the most glorious juice? Happens almost daily around here (and elsewhere, if there’s anyone around).

Here is another instance of the same modus…
Another Shitty '07 Oregon Pinot Noir - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

Oh THANKS Robert. Just when I thought my evil plan was working… I guess Eric LeVine is in good company.

I wouldn’t call it evil, just sensible.

[Nathan_V]

@Eric LeVine

His 2001 Riesling Clos Hauserer is on the other end of the spectrum, all salt and lime and margarita rim. Pretty delicious.

Depending on the vintage, the site and the botrytis these wines can be very rich, but I always find the VT’s in particular to be quite a treat.

I had a great bottle of 1996 Hauserer a couple of weeks ago, and a very good 1996 Brand in the last year. Those are my last bottles of my ZH experiments.

I’d buy Hauserer again, but it is more expensive thatnFrederic Emile, so…

[Nathan_V]

@Enzo Ruffalo

Oh yeah, stuff is crap. Don’t buy it. Horrible swill. Nothing to see here. Those nasty ZH vineyards Rangen, Brand, Hengst & Goldert should be dug up and replanted to Foch. Trophy seekers must be fools, these are extra crappy wines. Can’t imagine drinking one. Run away!! What the hell are tropy seekers doing buying Alsatian wines anyway? Don’t they know that real trophies can only come from Napa, Beaune and Bordeaux?! Fools.

Well , belive and buy what you want. I have first hand experience of people buying ZH on points and hating them. I’ve visited them twice, and I feel the same about the wines I like and mostly they are not for me, and not for most people I know who are serious about Alsatian wine. Your experience may be different.

[Larry_Stein]

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

[Nathan_V]

@Larry Stein

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

Sommerberg is Boxler’s best terroir, IMO.

Even that has become more ripe. No fighting climate change, I guess.

[LColhouer]

@Robert Pollard-Smith

@LColhouer

@RS Beck

…that was weird.

No. Those are all the “normal” tired arguments. Reminds me of Bob (or is it Gus McCrae ) trashing CF. So you don’t like the style…why waste your time slowing down for the cheap shots? I’m sure Loren is gratified to have started this thread.

Gosh, are you folks that, uhhh, oblivious, that you are not seeing the obvious sarcasm, with the intent of Enzo to diminish the competition (and keep the prices down) for the most glorious juice? Happens almost daily around here (and elsewhere, if there’s anyone around).

Why yes, I was in on the joke. Guess my sarcasm was too oblique for you? And BTW, comments were not addressed to Enzo. But you missed that

[Larry_Stein]

@Nathan V.

@Larry Stein

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

Sommerberg is Boxler’s best terroir, IMO.

Even that has become more ripe. No fighting climate change, I guess.

Agreed, but since Z-H doesn’t make wine from there, I didn’t see the need to bring it up. I still have a couple of bottles of '96 Sommerberg L31E Riesling. I’m saving one for friends on their next visit to the Bay Area.

[Nathan_V]

@Larry Stein

@Nathan V.

@Larry Stein

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

Sommerberg is Boxler’s best terroir, IMO.

Even that has become more ripe. No fighting climate change, I guess.

Agreed, but since Z-H doesn’t make wine from there, I didn’t see the need to bring it up. I still have a couple of bottles of '96 Sommerberg L31E Riesling. I’m saving one for friends on their next visit to the Bay Area.

That should mean my next visit to the Bay Area. Frenemy style.

Oh yeah, with Yanniger, I haven’t seen that fuck in 10 years.

[Brad_Kane]

@Larry Stein

@Nathan V.

@Larry Stein

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

Sommerberg is Boxler’s best terroir, IMO.

Even that has become more ripe. No fighting climate change, I guess.

Agreed, but since Z-H doesn’t make wine from there, I didn’t see the need to bring it up. I still have a couple of bottles of '96 Sommerberg L31E Riesling. I’m saving one for friends on their next visit to the Bay Area.

You know I’ll be there in July.

[Robert_Pollard-Smith]

@LColhouer

@Robert Pollard-Smith

@LColhouer

No. Those are all the “normal” tired arguments. Reminds me of Bob (or is it Gus McCrae ) trashing CF. So you don’t like the style…why waste your time slowing down for the cheap shots? I’m sure Loren is gratified to have started this thread.

Gosh, are you folks that, uhhh, oblivious, that you are not seeing the obvious sarcasm, with the intent of Enzo to diminish the competition (and keep the prices down) for the most glorious juice? Happens almost daily around here (and elsewhere, if there’s anyone around).

Why yes, I was in on the joke. Guess my sarcasm was too oblique for you? And BTW, comments were not addressed to Enzo. But you missed that

It’s like a mystery, wrapped up in an enigma, stuck in a hot dog bun.

[Loren_Sonkin]

Wow, never saw this thread coming. FWIW, I am a fan of ZH wines and really do appreciate that he makes the wines based on his view of what the vineyard gave him AND he lets us know thru the use of his indice. The Gewurz in question is a 3 and the Riesling is a 1. I am happy to buy the stuff on sale, but now I “know” why they are often on sale.

[Larry_Stein]

[quote="Brad Kane
You know I’ll be there in July. [/quote]

Yep. Haven’t heard anything about possible jeebi. Sure hope it’s after the 4th weekend. I’ll be in Healdsburg from Fri-Mon for my stepdaughter’s wedding.

[Rob_Rippe]

@Loren Sonkin

Wow, never saw this thread coming. FWIW, I am a fan of ZH wines and really do appreciate that he makes the wines based on his view of what the vineyard gave him AND he lets us know thru the use of his indice. The Gewurz in question is a 3 and the Riesling is a 1. I am happy to buy the stuff on sale, but now I “know” why they are often on sale.

Well I guess Loren’s innocent post went kinda wild
I note you are using the Sweetness level numbers (RS index?)
Where can I find that?
I looked in 101 but it’s not there

Thanks
Rip

[Brad_Kane]

@Larry Stein

[quote="Brad Kane
You know I’ll be there in July.

Yep. Haven’t heard anything about possible jeebi. Sure hope it’s after the 4th weekend. I’ll be in Healdsburg from Fri-Mon for my stepdaughter’s wedding.[/quote]

Rats! Going to miss you. That’s when I’m there.

[David_Bu3ker]

@Rob Rippe

I note you are using the Sweetness level numbers (RS index?)
Where can I find that?
I looked in 101 but it’s not there

Thanks
Rip

They are a Zh convention, not a standard.

[Keith_Levenberg]

@Larry Stein

I think what bothers me most about Z-H’s wines (beside all the reasons stated above) is that the wines made under Leonard’s regime (1988 and prior) were/are so brilliant. They were dry, in the Trimbach and Boxler mode. Incredible purity and definition, not the gobby messes that the wines have become. I do NOT want regular cuvees (that is, not VT or SGN) of Alsatian wines to be sweet and alcoholic.

I have had exceptions, especially from Brand (and David is correct, Boxler’s is better). That’s all due to Brand terroir despite what Z-H does to try and screw it up. For me, those are the driest wines from the Grand Cru vineyards that Z-H works with.

I got rid of my Zind Humbrecht Brands which I bought on the basis of WA reviews with huge points and decades-long drinking windows. On release the 2001 (98 points) was fiercely structured and whatever it had was all bound up in “potential.” I decided to check in on one last year and it was already over the hill. Some 1990s vintages with ratings nearly as high were equally tired and stale, which indicated to me that the condition of the 2001 was not a temporary dumb phase as apologists will doubtlessly insist. I did not make a profit on those sales, which might say something about the market for these wines.

[Keith_Levenberg]

Anyone try drinking the 2004 Boxler Brand lately? Wonder if that’s come out of its shell at all.