Craig,
Are you saying that there is no green in the 11s? I was clear that they were not as terribly as the 04s. Also, there are a lot of people who seemed to agree with us as the time goes on. My main point was and is that there is absolutely no reason to buy the 11s due to lacking concentration and energy. Those who listened definitely benefited as there are still plenty of the 11s around and the retailers have been discounting them.
If you look at the wine lists in Beaune you will find a lot of the top 11s like Rousseau Chambertin and Roumier BM but not the other vintages. Do you agree with John Gilman that there is no green in the 04s?
There is clearly a GM problem in 04. Most people detect it and a huge number of wines suffer from it. There doesn’t seem to be any clear problem like that in 11. It’s just a weaker/lighter vintage than other recent ones.
I will never recommend the 11s. John Gilman still doesn’t see any issues with the 04s. The people who actually know and detect the 04 flaws are minorities. There is a problem with the 11s for certain but not as bad as the 04s. It is starting to show more, please check FB Burgundy Geeks and Burgundy. This certainly is not a battle that I want to fight as I am making no friends. However, I am reporting as I see them and some who are open minded enough to listen have been benefiting.