Catherine et Claude Marechal Savigny VV. Absolutely delicious wine with very good concentration. The '09 and '10 are a revelation. Went through a case of the '09 in no time, it was that good.
Big thumbs up on the Marechal recommendation. In addition to the Savigny VV the Bourgogne is usually excellent and the Pommard punches above its level.
I understand that; I see it as an often overlooked wine in their range that is still priced within reason.
Domaine J. Confuron-Cotetidot may qualify in its entirety. Yves Confuron makes old-school, whole-cluster Burgundy both here and at Domaine de Courcel in Pommard. The domaine has a superb range, including Vosne-Romanee Suchots from old vines at the bottom of the vineyard near those of Grivots. The sleepers, however, are the village Nuits-St.-Georges AOC, produced entirely from the lieu dit au Bas de Combes, a choice parcel just below Boudots and abutting Vosne-Romanee Malconsorts and Chaumes, and Chambolle-Musigny 1er cru Derriere la Grange, a tiny, choice parcel just north of the village surrounded by Gruenchers, Cras and Fuees. The obscurity of the vineyard is, I believe, the result of for many years there being just two owners, Amiot-Servelle and Louis Remy, the latter making mediocre wine regardless of source and releasing them late. J. Confuron-Cotetidot acquired the Remy parcel about ten years ago, I believe. Both of these wines are priced a fair bit below their quality and one neednāt engage in a protracted hunt to find them.
Seems like theyāre about 100/btl.
I am not sure of your point, Michael but, yes, the Derriere la Grange is about $100. The NSG AOC about $50. (This is not a thread about inexpensive red Burgundy, as much as I like many of those.)
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Just not sure a premier Cru for $100 is a āsleeperā. I can buy premier Cru chambolle, nsg, msd, etc from well-reputed non sleeper producers for $100 much less Volnay, or some grand Cru from good negotiants.
Perhaps āsleeperā addresses the lack of notoriety not necessarily how the wine is priced? ![[cheers.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/0/0ff9bfcdb0964982cd3240b6159868fbdf215b1a.gif "cheers"){kind=small}
Yes, and my point is that you will have 1/2 the wine of the Derriere la Grange. J. Confuron-Cotetidotās Suchot is, to my palate, pretty much on par with that of Arnoux-Lachaux (although that domaineās vines are at the top of the vineyard). The former is about $100, the latter is about $200. And J. Confuron-Cotetidotās Derriere la Grange is on par with its Suchot. To my palate, Chambolle-Musigny 1er cru that compete with the Derriere la Grange at its price is a short list. Please give me yours.
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Hudelot-Baillet Charmes
Laurent Roumier Charmes
Bertheau Charmes
Chezeaux Charmes
just a few off the top of my head. I havenāt had the wine in question, FYI.
You are making my point. Bertheau gets discussed around here frequently. It appears that its Charmes now sells for $100 and up. It is good wine, although the domaine can be irregular. I expect that Cotetidotās Derriere la Grange is known by few on this board (for the reason I mention above), it is a perfectly situated Chambolle vineyard, the vines are old, and the wine likely less expensive than the Bertheau Charmes. But donāt take it from me, here is Claude Kolm: āDerriĆØre la Grange is a little-known premier cru in Chambolle: there are only two owners, and one (Amiot-Servelle) owns but a small part of the vineyard; the other owner now is Confuron-CotĆ©tidot ā¦ Despite its relative obscurity, though, I have seen it across many vintages, young and old, and am convinced that it is one of the top few premier cru vineyards in Chambolle. Indeed, when I used to taste at Amiot-Servelle, the wine was the best in the cellar on a regular basis, notwithstanding the estateās ownership of vines in Amoureuses and Clos-Vougeot. This wine [Cotetidotās 2014] is deep and intense with great concentration; it is still quite young and so needs more time to develop before bottling, but there is potentially a great wine here. (93-96)ā
FYI the wines I just mentioned are all $90 or less, including the Chezeaux made by Laurent Ponsot. Thereās a ton of great premier cru Burgundy available at or around the $50-60 price point. I guess my point is that when I think of a āsleeperā Iām expecting a certain amount of value but others might disagree.
You will get no argument from me on your first point, and there is even a ton of really good red Burgundy for $30, but that is a different thread. For āvalue,ā try the Cotetidot NSG AOC, or the Vosne-Romanee, Gevrey-Chambertin or Chambolle-Musigny AOC, all about $50 and I would argue of 1er cru quality.
Sleeper=next wine to cost 4X what it should. Just give it time.
Not necessarily, but reason enough to try to identify and buy them now.
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Well, I promised this reply maybe a month ago, but here it is:
non-commercial post: I used to represent Jacqueson in Rully, lost the agency when Paul retired and his daughter did not want to continue with a national American importer.
Two reds from Rully, usually 4 or 5 whites (some extremely limited), 2 reds from Mercurey. Incredible quality and QPR. Red Rully 1er Cru āClouxā is the flagship, but white 1er Cru āGresignyā is incredible, with white 1er Cru āPucellesā now close on its heels as the vines now have substantial age. Not necessarily still available in the U.S. In fact, mostly available directly from the winery and at a plethora of top restaurants in Burgundy, Paris and elsewhere in France.
Also rarely seen in the U.S. and providing outstanding values are:
Borgeot (a wide range of Santenay, Puligny and Chassagne, as well as a Bourgogne Blanc āClos de la Carbonadeā, an outstanding Monopole sleeper that drinks a lot more like Chassagne than Bourgogne.
Domaine Doudet - An excellent Domaine in Savigny with holdings also in Corton, Corton-Charlemagne and Pernand.
Doudet-Naudin - The negociant arm of the previous Estate, famous for a selection of older bottlings available at the winery and I believe fairly broadly in France.
I am a friend and customer of the winemaking consultant at Chandon des Briailles, so take this as a somewhat commercial post, but still have to say that I think the quality and value are excellent. Even though prices are high for me (most of their holdings are in the Corton Grand Crus), I am starting to buy some.
Iāve got dozens of others, but am out of time and brain spaceā¦ not sure how much these are of interest to a board that will mostly want things they can find in the U.S.
I also sporadically still import Burgundy from two other small sleeper growers in the Cote de Beaune, but wonāt post on those as there is still some commercial involvement.
I really love Burgundy, but have never been able to do much business with it. As Iām frequently in France, I indulge my passion mostly thereā¦ even as an importer who brings in dozens of containers a year, the cost and logisitics of buying and shipping small quantities of Burgundy daunt me.
Dan Kravitz
Dan- you ever have any wines from Lumpp in Givry ?
Yes, I think Lumpp is an excellent, consistent producer. Iām pretty sure they are well represented in the U.S., not sure by who. IIRC the whites would be sleepers more than the reds, although both are excellent.
Dan Kravitz
As someone pointed out before.
Hubert Lignier MSD 1er Cru VV
I believe there are actually two Lumpps in Givry but Domaine Francois Lumpp is brought in by Kermit Lynch.
https://www.kermitlynch.com/our-wines/domaine-francois-lumpp/
Vincent Lumpp gets some reviews from Bill Nanson here:
I bought some Francis Lumpp from Winex, the āA Vigne Rougeā, but they are in my American Canyon storage so have not tried yet.