Rate of flawed bottles

Sipping on a very slightly corked Renaud Boyer bottle right now… There is lovely fruit on the palate, but no getting past the TCA note on the nose :sob:

Since I felt that I had quite a few flawed (mostly TCA or oxidized) lately, I went back and checked the percentage of flawed bottles of my tasting notes in CT. It actually seems surprisingly consistent over the years at roughly 2.9%. That may be slightly higher than the true flawed rate, because I make it a point to write a note on a flawed bottle, but don’t always write a note on good bottles.

What’s everyone’s percentage of flawed wines? Is this somewhat consistent with your experience?

Year Consumed Flawed %
2023 2.87%
2022 2.87%
2021 2.19%
2020 3.57%
2019 2.71%
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Any chance you can break down TCA vs oxidized? What about origin of wine? Age of wine?

Most folks think these problems are getting better compared to 5 years ago . . .

Cheers

When I first started getting into wine around 2008 I had about a 2% incidence of TCA. That has gone down enormously since then. I probably only had two or three corked wines this year out of ~500.

Maybe a breakdown of wines you’ve opened by vintage and flawed % would be enlightening.

E.g.
2023 - 2.87% Flawed
0.5% - 2015+
0.5% - 2010+
The rest 2009 and before

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Getting complex: I like it!

Someone could source all of WB and have some data.

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I haven’t captured any numbers, but I’d say it’s in a similar ballpark, though likely nearer to 2% than 3% (ignoring in this bottles that were merely over-mature - that’s my fault/tastes, not that of the wine)

This is obviously biased data, but still interesting IMO…

A few things to note: I started to drink more natural wines in the past 4-5 years, some of which I marked as flawed.

White Burgundy and Loire accounts for quite a bit of flawed bottles (almost all premoxed).

1989 seems to have been a horrible year for corks, especially in Rhone and Bordeaux.

Interestingly, I don’t see a higher percentage of flawed bottles in 1988 and earlier wines, but that data is probably skewed because most of those bottles came from other people’s cellars and I probably was not that consistent in marking those as flawed in a tasting note.

Vintage Flawed Note
2022 0.00%
2021 3.45%
2020 0.00%
2019 1.57%
2018 1.99%
2017 3.73% 3 corked, 3 “flawed” (natural wines)
2016 2.04%
2015 1.41%
2014 3.35% 5 corked, 1 premoxed
2013 0.64%
2012 0.82%
2011 3.64% 1 corked, 1 premoxed, 2 off (vegetal, cabbage)
2010 3.54% 2 corked, 2 premoxed
2009 4.40% 2 corked, 2 premoxed
2008 5.41% 4 premoxed
2007 3.39% 2 corked
2006 2.17%
2005 2.44%
2004 6.00% 1 corked, 2 cooked
2003 0.00%
2002 0.00%
2001 0.00%
2000 9.68% 3 premoxed
1999 6.06%
1998 3.13%
1997 4.55%
1996 8.70% 2 corked, 2 premoxed
1995 8.00% 1 corked, 1 “off"
1994 5.56%
1993 0.00%
1992 0.00%
1991 0.00%
1990 0.00%
1989 12.00% 3 corked
1988 and earlier 2.72%
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Between 1 and 2 percent for me.

My oxidized rate went up when I was buying auction white burgundy (and some retail with 8+ years aging) and has since dipped back toward zero.

Other than a very odd 2021 pile of TCA bottles pushed me over 1%, I’ve never otherwise exceeded that mark in any year.

Age of wine has not been a good indicator of anything…and surprisingly little TCA in my screw cap experiences.

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That’s interesting. I don’t recall many flawed wines from 1989 except that the Beaucastel was famously leaky. Even then I only had one bottle that I would consider flawed by Brett. My 89 Bdx have been pretty reliable. I’ve had more corked bottles from earlier years.

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Same. Have had quite a number of ‘89s as it’s my wife’s birth year. We have never had any cork problems.

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I went through the faulty wines I had tasted, based on the CT data. At 14 048 bottles tasted, I guess this sample size might not be insignificant.

Of the wines I had tasted, 327 (2,32%) were flawed or faulty.

Of these faulty wines, 151 (1,07%) were either obviously (117 or 0,83%) or probably (34 or 0,24%) corked. Obviously corked wines were wines that were showing obvious TCA aromas; probably corked wines were those that were completely flavorless, dull or slightly musty - not showing any obvious TCA aromas but also coming across as somewhat off.

The remaining 176 (1,25%) bottles were either oxidized (142 or 1,01%), cooked (4), excessively volatile (3), had refermented in the bottle (2) or were in some other way just off or flawed (25 or 0,18%).

Vintage No of faults Note Sample size
NV 21 12 oxidized, 3 corked, 6 “other” 1792
2020 2 2 corked 181
2019 - - 291
2018 - - 470
2017 8 1 oxidized, 7 corked 664
2016 12 2 oxidized, 8 corked, 1 excessively volatile, 1 “other” 932
2015 15 2 oxidized, 1 refermented, 12 corked 1053
2014 17 1 cooked, 4 oxidized, 5 corked, 7 “other” 843
2013 13 3 oxidized, 8 corked, 2 “other” 1003
2012 13 1 cooked, 2 oxidized, 7 corked, 3 “other” 997
2011 10 3 oxidized, 1 refermented, 4 corked, 2 “other” 977
2010 4 1 oxidized, 3 corked 728
2009 9 3 oxidized, 4 corked, 2 “other” 584
2008 8 2 oxidized, 6 corked 434
2007 5 1 cooked, 1 oxidized, 3 corked 365
2006 6 4 oxidized, 2 corked 291
2005 9 2 oxidized, 7 corked 214
2004 5 4 oxidized, 1 corked 158
2003 6 3 oxidized, 3 corked 110
2002 1 1 corked 91
2001 5 1 oxidized, 3 corked, 1 “other” 117
2000 5 2 oxidized, 3 corked 150
1999 6 1 cooked, 4 oxidized, 1 corked 126
1998 7 2 oxidized, 7 corked 117
1997 12 4 oxidized, 8 corked 103
1996 8 2 oxidized, 6 corked 130
1995 9 4 oxidized, 5 corked 94
1994 1 1 corked 65
1993 3 3 oxidized 32
1992 3 3 corked 45
1991 2 1 oxidized, 1 corked 25
1990 4 1 oxidized, 3 corked 51
1989 4 3 oxidized, 1 corked 56
1988 6 4 oxidized, 2 corked 35
1987 2 2 oxidized 21
1986 5 4 oxidized, 1 corked 39
1985 5 3 oxidized, 2 corked 48
1984 2 1 oxidized, 1 corked 11
1983 3 2 oxidized, 1 corked 33
1982 5 3 oxidized, 2 corked 37
1981 3 2 oxidized, 1 corked 13
1980 3 1 oxidized, 2 corked 20
1979 5 3 oxidized, 1 corked, 1 too volatile 20
1978 3 3 oxidized 31
1977 1 1 oxidized 9
1976 3 3 oxidized 17
1975 1 1 oxidized 15
1974 6 6 oxidized 27
1973 2 1 oxidized, 1 corked 11
1972 2 1 corked, 1 too volatile 8
1971 8 7 oxidized, 1 corked 34
1970 5 5 oxidized 49
1969 - - 8
1968 1 1 oxidized 9
1967 2 1 oxidized, 1 corked 25
1966 3 2 oxidized, 1 corked 6
1965 - - 5
1964 11 7 oxidized, 4 corked 37
1963 - - 3
1962 1 1 “other” 7
1961 1 1 corked 19
1960 - - 0
1959 - - 6
1958 - - 6
1957 2 1 oxidized, 1 corked 4
1956 - - 1
1955 1 1 oxidized 5
1954 1 1 corked 2
1953 - - 0
1952 1 1 oxidized 3
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Ok I need your system and your brain. This is amazing analysis.

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Cellartracker and Excel.

No can do, I’m pretty attached to it.

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Darn it. Let me know if you change your mind and ever want to get rid of it :slight_smile:

Sure thing!

In theory the only way this could happen is via tainted barrels (very rare, but an disastrous situation when it does)

Hey Otto, What about the Mousy OF58 point wines? It looks like they don’t get included in this analysis? Perhaps also how many wines did you score below 75 in each year would be useful intel as well :joy:

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Indeed they are not included. This is because flaws and faults come from winemaking choices - oxidation or TCA happens to random bottles, so bottles that are not impacted are okay. However, when it comes to mousiness, all the wines from the same batch are impacted, so I have to rate the wines as they are - if one bottle is mousy, it’s probable all the other bottles are going to be similalry mousy as well. Hence I rate them rather than marking them as flawed.

Although there were a few so badly funky / mousy / whatever wines that were so horrible I had marked them as “flawed/defective” and are included in the “other” column.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to dig all the mousy wines I’ve tasted from CT. I might be able to comb through the wines where I’ve mentioned “mousy”, “mousiness” or “THP” in the tasting note field, but that’s going to take some work and time.

Overall, that seems surprisingly consistent with my data (based on 3500 notes). Thanks for doing the analysis :nerd_face:

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