question for Pavie people

[Rob_MacKay]

Is the 95 Pavie as bad as Parker rates it (78)?

[Jack_Bulkin]

@Rob MacKay

Is the 95 Pavie as bad as Parker rates it (78)?

He was generous. Weak, dilted and fruitless. The property was for sale and the vintage was a stinker at Tex’s now fav…

[Rob_MacKay]

Thanks for the info. I’m glad I didn’t buy it from KL ($70).

Went with a 96 Leoville Barton and an 02 LMHB instead.

[Jack_Bulkin]

@Rob MacKay

Thanks for the info. I’m glad I didn’t buy it from KL ($70).

Went with a 96 Leoville Barton and an 02 LMHB instead.

I made the mistake in 2000 of buying 6 375’s for $15 each. Not worth it.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Jack Bulkin

@Rob MacKay

Is the 95 Pavie as bad as Parker rates it (78)?

He was generous. Weak, dilted and fruitless. The property was for sale and the vintage was a stinker at Tex’s now fav…

I have discussed the late 80’s to mid 90’s Pavies with a local guy that has as good a palate as anyone out there…he pretty much thinks they all suck before '98.

[Jack_Bulkin]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Jack Bulkin

@Rob MacKay

Is the 95 Pavie as bad as Parker rates it (78)?

He was generous. Weak, dilted and fruitless. The property was for sale and the vintage was a stinker at Tex’s now fav…

I have discussed the late 80’s to mid 90’s Pavies with a local guy that has as good a palate as anyone out there…he pretty much thinks they all suck before '98.

Actually Bill, I have had a couple 86, 90 that were nice if not age worthy clarets.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

Jack, I don’t doubt that some servicalbe wines were made. From Richie Rich, none were made in the style of today that I covet.

[Faryan_Amir-Ghassemi]

This calls for a Pavie vertical.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Faryan Amir-Ghassemi

This calls for a Pavie vertical.

The sun coming up in the morning calls for a Pavie vertical.

[Jack_Bulkin]

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jack, I don’t doubt that some servicalbe wines were made. From Richie Rich, none were made in the style of today that I covet.

But Bill, they only started making wines in a style that you would like when Parker’s palate got nuked.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

[Denny_P_e_n_t_e_c_o_s_t]

@Faryan Amir-Ghassemi

This calls for a Pavie vertical.

Did somebody say dinner at Landreth’s?

[Nathan_Smyth]

@Bill Tex Landreth

I have discussed the late 80’s to mid 90’s Pavies with a local guy that has as good a palate as anyone out there…he pretty much thinks they all suck before '98.

The '98 had completely fallen apart by 2007 or 2008 - no mouthfeel, no aromatics, no fruit, no nothing - but maybe that’s a subject for a different thread.

[CFu]

@Nathan Smyth

@Bill Tex Landreth

I have discussed the late 80’s to mid 90’s Pavies with a local guy that has as good a palate as anyone out there…he pretty much thinks they all suck before '98.

The '98 had completely fallen apart by 2007 or 2008 - no mouthfeel, no aromatics, no fruit, no nothing - but maybe that’s a subject for a different thread.

that seems to be contrary to Cellar tracker notes?

[Nathan_Smyth]

@Charlie Fu

@Nathan Smyth

@Bill Tex Landreth

I have discussed the late 80’s to mid 90’s Pavies with a local guy that has as good a palate as anyone out there…he pretty much thinks they all suck before '98.

The '98 had completely fallen apart by 2007 or 2008 - no mouthfeel, no aromatics, no fruit, no nothing - but maybe that’s a subject for a different thread.

that seems to be contrary to Cellar tracker notes?

I only know my own experience - and I was shocked at what a dull, limp, lifeless wine it was - particularly given Parker’s ravings in that old Hedonist’s Gazette piece about the '98s.

I think the jury is still out on these over-oaked fruit bombs which are so flashy out of the gate - some of them may survive for the long haul, but I fear that many of them just won’t go the distance.

[PS: Wine of the Tasting was the 1998 Palmer - now there’s a wine which will go 50 or 75 years - maybe even a century.]