Pairing Burgundy with Rib Eye

Jeff_Cassetta · October 30, 2018, 1:27am

Ribeye - Tuscan Steak with Brunello would be my vote…considering that Cabernet and Nebbiolo have been ruled out.

Shan_A · October 30, 2018, 1:53am

Merchant #1 Burgundy suggestions (this was after warning to not show any 04s, and they don’t have older stock like a Benchmark):
2008 Domaine Gerard Raphet Chambertin Clos de Beze
2009 Robert Arnoux Clos de Vougeot
2011 Domaine Hubert Lignier Charmes Chambertin
2011 Bouchard Pere et Fils Chambertin Clos de Beze Grand Cru

Jeff_Cassetta · October 30, 2018, 2:02am

Second choice would be a Nuits St. Georges Les Vaucrains from Chevillon. With a little effort you can probably find the '08 for less than a $100 per.

jcoley3 · October 30, 2018, 2:11am

If the ask price on that Clos de Vougeot is in your range, I’d probably do that.

Jeremy_Holmes · October 30, 2018, 2:16am

I’d buy the Arnoux.

MChang · October 30, 2018, 2:27am

Agree on arnoux

p_raghib · October 30, 2018, 3:21am

I won’t buy2011 reds unless I taste them first, the arnoux should be good but if it is similar $$ I’d take the 08 beze. I prefer the freshness of 08s

Pau1_M3nk3s · October 30, 2018, 3:40am

Granted this was way down the ladder from Clos de Beze, but the 2008 Raphet village Gevry that I’ve had all had a very snappy acidity to them.

Shan_A · October 30, 2018, 4:52am

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Shan_A · October 30, 2018, 8:41pm

I presented four options to the host,
(i) 2011 Faiveley Beze + 2008 Serfarin Gevrey VV
(ii) 2012 Faiveley Cortons + 2009 Arnoux Clos de Vougeot
(iii) 2009 Arnoux Clos de Vougot + 2012 Arnoux NSG Pagets
(iv) 2012 Faiveley Corton + 2008 Serafin Gevrey VV
(v) 2011 Faiveley Beze + 2015 Stephane Mangien Facconiers

They went with (v).

In my reading, Faiveley was less impacted in 2011, and this was corroborated with the CT notes, especially on the 2011 Beze. The Beze does not have any recent notes, however, so there is risk it is closed down. Will know Tuesday…

jcoley3 · October 31, 2018, 3:35am

These steaks better turn out good after all your work…

Jeremy_Holmes · October 31, 2018, 3:39am

2 or 3 are the best options. I’d stop hanging around the host.

Doug_Hein · October 31, 2018, 4:05am

This. Or some Hermitage. I’m sure you’ll have a great dinner and enjoy the wine!

LMD_Ermitano · October 31, 2018, 7:27am

Same here.

Shan_A · October 31, 2018, 11:53am

Host is paying
Notes on the Faiveley 11 Beze sound pretty good - what’s the concern here? Vintage or too young for a Beze versus a Corton?

MChang · October 31, 2018, 11:55am

Not as good of wines.

Shan_A · October 31, 2018, 1:21pm

The idea for that option was to offer a more expensive geography (e.g. Beze, and paid got the Faiveley for ‘only’ ~$210) paired with a more affordable “village level” accessible to the guests generally (in this case, Facconieres for $55/bottle).

MChang · October 31, 2018, 1:40pm

2011 will give you some nice vegetal notes to go with your meat and potatoes, for sure. You can probably skip the salad course.

Shan_A · October 31, 2018, 1:47pm

Did the vegetable notes in the 2011s only come later, or would they be apparent by 2013? (CT has a lot of positive notes in 2014, and I think I read it somewhere here on WB that Faiveley’s 2011s weren’t impacted with the vegetables and could be hidden value, especially given the change of producer style which was largely implemented by 2011)?

Robert_Pavlovich · October 31, 2018, 2:06pm

Only way is to taste. Faiveley’s Beze figures to have avoided most of 11’s issues, being such a warm site (and warmer than Chambertin), but it’s become such an unsexy vintage for geeks and collectors that hardly anyone is taking an interest to continue to taste and follow the wines.