My discussion w/ Suckling: "Black wine" & nature of Brunello

I noticed on Twitter that James Suckling had tossed out a provocative question:

“Wonder if most people think top quality red wines need to be dark colored, even black?”

He received a stream of replies that said, essentially, “NO! What kind of idiot would think that?”

I found the question strangely passive-aggressive, considering Suckling’s proclivity to score black wines highly. So I did some quick analysis.

*7 of the top 20 Brunellos that Suckling has ever rated include descriptors of “black” or dark color, even though it’s not made from a grape that traditionally produces dark wine

*15 of the top 20 Brunellos included language exalting the oak in the wine

*One 98-pointer included seven descriptors; five were describing the oak

*4 of the 8 2005 red Bordeaux that earned 100 points included descriptions of “black” or “almost black” color

I decided to challenge him on these points on Twitter, given the implication I found in his question. After pointing out his scoring, I finished with, “The implication is that you’re above needing a wine to be black. The reality is, you love it. And that’s fine.”

He responded, “Like both Evan. Texture is more important for me.”

I told him that I found his initial question to imply that there are silly critics fixating on a wine’s darkness, and I found the texture thing to be a straw man. He replied, “I wasn’t implying anything. I was just curious.”

I thought he was ducking it, so I firmly replied, “Sorry, but it was passive aggressive. And not very self-aware, given the scores you hand out for black wines. Do you disagree that it is unnatural for Sangiovese Grosso to be black in color?”

His response: “what’s unnatural and how many vineyards in Montalcino are planted with Sangiovese Grosso? When is the last time you were there?”

Given the fact that he had recently tweeted another question on the “being there” subject (“Is it important for a wine critic to have visited the region where he or she is supposed to be an expert?”), I wasn’t surprised. I told him I had been there recently and had spent long hours in the vineyards and cellars with about a dozen producers, some of whom I still keep in contact. I told him that these producers (not simply Soldera) don’t consider Brunello to be naturally black.

He then tweeted, “What’'s natural? Do the wines make thmeselves? Next time your in Tuscany look me up.”

And it’s a fair point. Wines don’t make themselves. Wine is not a perfectly natural product. I gave him that point.

I like his reviews because I find them rock-solid consistent, even if his preferences are not for me. But is it healthy for Brunello producers to seek out high scores with black-colored wines? Is Suckling correct to say that wine isn’t natural to begin with, so it’s not relevant to focus on color as a component of nature?

I wish James well and I’ll be curious to see where he goes next.

Thanks for posting this - good reading!

At least he stood up to your inquiry, he could easily have ignored it like some other critics we know of that shrink from accountability and questioning.

Update this if you ever do run into him.

To Suckling’s credit (and he and I have clashed in the past…a LOT) he immediately retweeted my response of “No, No, 1000 times NOOOOOO!!!”.

Is Suckling correct to say that wine isn’t natural to begin with, so it’s not relevant to focus on color as a component of nature?

Separate issues. I appreciate the fact that he stipulates that wine isn’t “natural”. He gets points for that.

It’s not relevant to focus on color - I agree. But it’s not a logical follow up, it’s just a separately correct fact.

So a wine is dark. Does that mean you immediately hate it and call it an ooze monster? Does that mean you rush out to buy it because it’s sure to score high? Does that mean that you judge it against your mental picture of what a particular grape/region is SUPPOSED to be like and if it doesn’t measure up, you hate it no matter how good it is?

I do notice that many critics talk about the color of a wine - “inky purple” or whatever, and I always find that the most irrelevant part of any review, and it’s why the fetish for clear glasses seems weird to me.

Although to be fair, I opened a bottle of what I thought was a red one day and I guess color was a key there - the winery had shipped a few samples in whatever bottles they happened to have. Wouldn’t have mattered except I was showing the wine to a potential customer and he didn’t lose his cool at all after I gave him a whole story about the thick skins, tannins, etc. He didn’t react at all, sniffed, swirled, tasted, and looked up and said “Are you sure this is a red wine? Because it really seems like a verdejo.”

For verdejo it was great. For tinto de Toro it was a little strange.

Sounds like an interesting discussion. I never understood Suckling’s promotion of Cab-wanna-be extracted and over-oaked Sangiovese. As far as I can tell, it seems to have been a very bad thing for the region even if the wines tasted more familiar to Cab drinkers. When I was last in Brunello some producers had a traditionally made “winemaker’s cuvee” that was lighter and less oaked but their favorite expression of their region (and not submitted to JS).

Great points. Suckling tells me that he’s more concerned about texture, and he was just wondering what people think about color, but he doesn’t consider it a natural part of wine.

Strange, then, that he would write the following about the 99-point 2006 Flaccianello: “Shows excellent color for a Sangiovese.”

I can only read that to say, “This is a dark-colored wine, and considering that Sangiovese makes lighter-colored wines, that’s awesome.” But I suppose I could be wrong.

I found roughly the same, with several winemakers telling me their favorite bottlings are ones they don’t submit for scores. One told me, “My grandfather would be ashamed of me if I made a black Brunello.”

I certainly concur. As a funny aside, though…Brunello as a name of course refers specifically to the color of the wine, “Bruno” meaning brown and I think denoting a wine of greater structure and age worthiness than others made by sangiovese (as opposed to the Rosso or red). Maybe not black - but Suckling was not the guy who started the color convo, that’s for sure!

Btw - isn’t this kinda the same conversation that could be had around Bordeaux reds? I mean, the Brits called that wine claret because of its light color compared to Spanish and Italian wines, right? What happened there?

Mega purple happened! Ah, just kidding. Mostly. Super extraction happened. Critical predilection to reward oak and extraction happened.

True that (including the mega purple)! I guess I was just pointing out that the same “evolution” of wine in Bordeaux has occurred with much less critical noise. The Brunello thing has approached scandal-like proportions. Fwiw, I agree that this has not been to the benefit of the wine. If Australia, Spain and CNdP are any indication, this movie does not end well. Bordeaux seems to be the exception, though with 2009 the issue is becoming a bit more pressing even there, from what I gather.

I don’t know how you guys can follow/carry on an actual discussion on Twitter…

Black color in red wines is kind of like heavy bottles. It doesn’t itself do anything for the wine but is intended to convey subliminally to the drinker that the stuff is deep, dense, and heavy - thanks to our totally koyaanisqatsi’ed aesthetic that equates deep, dense, and heavy with greatness. It’s an especially pointless fixation now that enzymes or whatever can essentially allow the winemaker to dial in whatever color they want - so you occasionally come across these strange wines like a Loire cabernet franc that pours out inky but still tastes essentially like a Loire cabernet franc which you might even figure it for a normal color if you had your eyes closed. Unlike heavy bottles, though, these black-colored wines don’t do you the favor of tipping you off to avoid them before you actually open it.

Interestingly Asimov had a recent tasting column on Chianti Classico that really focused on the darkness (mostly negatively) of the wines. Here’s a sample:

That darkness is deliberate, sought by many drinkers and accommodated by winemakers, but that doesn’t make it logical. “Judging a wine by a dark color is for stupid people,” Gianfranco Soldera, the great Brunello di Montalcino producer, once told me in his typically blunt fashion. He believes the proper color of a sangiovese wine is a brilliant translucent ruby. “You should be able to look through the wine and see your fingernail on the other side,” he said.

http://events.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/dining/reviews/21wine.html?scp=2&sq=asimov%20dark%20wine&st=cse

Round of applause for Keith for busting out Koyaanisqatsi! Take that you unwashed masses neener

Regarding the issue, I find myself more the contrarian, hoping my dark black wines filled with camphor, plum and scortched earth will turn into bricked red wines filled with truffle, saddle, cherry and balance (full circle Keith, full circle). For those that have been drinking wine for a long time, do you have experiences from decades prior of varietals not-known for the former characteristics maturing into the latter? I’m especially worried about a lot of newer Bordeaux (prominently right bank), Super Tuscans and CDP/Rhone, but I could see how it is applicable to Chianti/Brunello as well as California Meritage.