More of the Good Old Stuff, Brunswick Maine, Saturday 10/25/25 [long]

A Coalition of the Willing showed up at Taverna Khione in Brunswick on Saturday for the 2nd edition of this now annual event.
The theme was wines that may be over the hill. Everybody brings their dubiousities, we taste, discuss, drink and eat.

I get a little frazzled preparing for this, so I took no written notes. Here are very abbreviated notes; hopefully other attendees will fill in.
Most of the wines were really good or better, showing their age but ageing beautifully.
Last year I provided all of the wines; this year most board people brought one or several bottles. I’m hesitant to not praise any gift, but will call them as I tasted them
 there were some bottles that were more noteworthy for survival than quality.

2016 Drouhin-Laroze Bourgogne La Roze Rose - Served blind, this was a nicely balanced Pinot Noir, I guessed it at 7 years; pleasant and balanced despite not showing much freshness.

1996 Duplessis Chablis 1er Cru ‘Montmains’ - One of my wines, to me a star of the evening, still vivid with crisp acidity and nice stony and herbal notes.

1986 JasniĂšres Saint Jacques
1988 JasniÚres Sélecton de Raisins Nobles (vinified dry) -
I didn’t taste the 1986 (apparently corked), the ’88 was pleasant, still fresh but without the character of the best Chenins.

1999 Brundlmayer GrĂŒner Veltliner Alte Reben - By far the oldest Gruner I’ve had, this was a real pleasure, fully secondary but with nice wiry acidity and deep subtlety.

2011 Marc Morey Chassagne 1er Blanche Dessots - A classic, probably at peak, nice depth, a surprising hint of tropical fruit along with some flowers, excellent balance.

2015 Goubard Bourgogne Blanc Chalonnaise - My contribution and always a favorite. This entry-level (pricewise) Bourgogne Blanc overdelivers, ages easily a decade with a light to medium gold color, nice notes of mineral, herbs and a touch of grass. Tastes to me like a cross between a good entry-level Chablis and a village Saint-Aubin.

1969 Yquem - Deep gold, the aromas were astonishing, with honey and roses. The palate was amazingly rich and fresh, the balance impeccable, the texture as broad as an ocean. For me clearly the WOTN!

1988 Yquem - This excellent vintage (from 375ml) was at least as dark as the 1969, showed a lot of finesse but seemed callow next to the older, far less reputed vintage.

2001 Yquem - Considered a great vintage, it was still a light gold color. The aromas were less open, but the palate had great power, depth and breadth, an infant just beginning to show the world who it is.

2001 Rieussec - An excellent showing, more open if not as fine as the ’01 Yquem, this was perhaps the best match with the buttered lobster we served with it.

2001 Suduiraut - Missed it, darn it.

1964 Tokaji Aszu 5 Puttonyos - Almost tar-black, great aromas of honey, molasses and still some fresh hints of citrus, very ripe orange. A real beauty.

2002 Bouchard Corton - Aromas of mostly black fruit (raspberry, cherry) in a fresh, solid vibrant bottle that is foursquare in a good way
 big, burly, polite, trustworthy, a pleasure to have around.

2002 Michel Gros Vosne Romanee 1er Cru ‘Clos des Reas’ - paired with the previous, this was lighter in body, but with more finesse; black and red fruits accompanied by lovely floral notes and an almost lacy texture, a beauty probably at peak. Bravo!

1975 Chateau Lanessan - My last bottle and at 50 years a sturdy, tough yeoman. Simple black fruit, a touch of tobacco, lots of fine mostly resolved tannins and good balancing acidity.

1975 Cantenac Brown - Served alongside the Lanessan, it was good but distinctly older, with some browning not just in color but aroma and flavor. Tannins resolved, there is enough fruit left to enjoy, but definitely fading.

1976 Pichon Lalande - Three 1976 wines from Bordeaux, Burgundy and the Rhone were served together. This was the undisputed star. Deep healthy color, clear red-and-blackcurrant aromas were followed by a rich but muscular palate with excellent subtlety and a long finish.

1976 Clerget Volnay 1er Clos de Versueil - In contrast to the previous, this was delicate, with some fine but fading fruit still present, but clearly thinning out and not of great interest.

1976 Clos des Papes - Some brown in the color, the aromas here offered some nice tomato fruit but also some dead-leaf earthiness. The palate was similar with enough fruit to enjoy but with tertiary anonymity beginning to take over. To me, the richness made it better than the previous; both quite drinkable, neither at the top of its game.

1979 Chateau Haut-Brion - Decanted about an hour ahead. Still good medium to dark crimson color. The aromas feature currant, plum and tobacco, with a nice hint of fresh-turned earth. On the palate this is medium bodied and balanced, but without the vivacity and intensity of great Haut-Brion. Still a wonderful glass.

1979 Chateau La Mission Haut-Brion - To me, this was similar to the Haut-Brion, but showed more freshness in both aromas and palate. There was more vigor here. I preferred it to the Haut-Brion, but I’d gladly have either again.

1982 Cantenac Brown - Served with two other Cab-based 1982s. In much better shape than the 1975, this was mature, harmonious, polite, well-balanced with good mostly red fruit and nice solidity.

1982 Branaire - This was a little better than the previous, with more freshness and vivacity. More black fruit than red, this tasted deeply of Cabernet, with a nice but surprising briary note.

1982 Montelena Estate Cab - The aromas were still nicely fresh, a little more so than the previous bottles, even balance of red and black fruit, medium-bodied but solid and complete all the way through. There was a nice cedary note and a long finish. For these three wines, a toss-up between this and Branaire, with Cantenac Brown a respectful step behind.

1986 Montelena Estate Cab - I missed what was apparently one of the best wines of the evening!?!

1989 Beringer PR Cab - This was showing well, fully secondary but far from gone. Pleasant, a little weedy, lots of plum showing through and tannins fully resolved. Tasted blind, I might have guessed Merlot.

1989 Sociando-Mallet - Another sterling showing for a Cru Bourgeois, this had loads of fresh red fruit, a distinct peppery note, lots of vigor and fine balance.

1990 Domaine du Pegau Chateauneuf-du-Pape ‘Cuvee Reservee’ - I liked this just fine, but last year my last bottle of the 1989 was a shooting star while this was a pleasant bottle of Chateauneuf. Others liked it better. Open and still fresh tomato and herb aromas, rich in body, warm and friendly, but lacks the immediacy of great Pegau.

1966 Louis Martini Zinfandel Mountain Cuvee - This was excellent, lots of black fruit, surprisingly still a little stony and mineral, not remotely showing its age, a brawny mouthful that brought a smile to my face and went superbly with my lamb chop.

1953 Bodegas Bilbainas Rioja Viña Pomal Reserva Especial - Another treat, aromas more secondary than tertiary, amazingly still some strawberry fruit that was a treat although it faded quickly. Earthy and intricate, this was noteworthy for much more than Ÿ of a century.

WOTN: 1969 Chateau d’Yquem
Runners-up:
’96 Duplessis, ‘64 Tokaji, ‘02 Vosne, ’76 Pichon, ’82 Montelena, ’66 Zin

Whew! What a wonderful evening.

To all the board members who were there: Please please add your tasting notes to my very incomplete sketches.

As always, Taverna Khione offers exceptional food and service. The warm and welcoming staff even helped us drink! The camaradarie, this year as last, was wonderful, with my local friends mingling freely with wine geeks trying frantically to absorb all of the good and sometimes wonderful aromas and flavors of the wine and food.

My deep thanks to everybody who came and contributed.

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Thanks so much for putting the event and these notes together! I’ll have some additional thoughts later, but quickly, the Sauternes you missed was actually 2001 Rieussec (and it was rocking, though a step behind the Yquems).

I had that Sauternes wrong in my master list. Dan probably copied it over. Thanks for catching!

I’ll post some notes when I get a chance, maybe tomorrow. Briefly I agree that the 69 Yquem was WOTN followed by the 01; I did quite like that 64
Tokaji!

Damn, that was what I had and wrote about. I remembered Rieussec but took David’s word for it.

I actually talked about the fact that I thought about bringing the Suduiraut. Might have been the source of the confusion.

Yes, the talk about Suduiraut was stuck in my head. To summarize, we had the three Yquems, '01 Climens and '01 Rieussec.

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Just quickly, my favorites for the night included the ‘69 and ‘01 Yquem, the ‘79 Haut Brion, the ‘86 Montelena, the ‘82 Branaire, and the ‘99 Brundlmayer.

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We had a phenomenal 2nd (Annual) Edition of The Good Old Stuff (with Dan Kravitz)

We had a very high return rate from last year’s inaugural participants. We managed to entice David Bueker up from Connecticut (long-time follow, first time I got to see him in person). I got to meet Ryan, a Portland Berserker stepping up & into the wine journey in earnest. And we also managed to rope in Michael & Eileen Chang :pray:. Needless to say, I am always reassured & excited to have them next to me at my table.

There are some wonderful photos over in the Events forum which hopefully may be added to this thread, too.

Overview

I love how this event is so singular in style. It is geared to celebrate odd & quirky wines (who may or may not be in their twilight). And also geared to celebrate Dan as well. Our dinners at Dan’s local jewel of a Taverna are quite unique.

My notes here are going to highlight the wines with which I had the most emotional/sensory connection, and we had a lot of great showings. We also had plenty of ‘solid’ showings as well, which gave out a wide variety of experiences with mature wines & the complexities therein.

Also, in a rare accomplishment: we got to open our evening with a blinded Burgundy that Michael Chang thought was Italian :rofl:. Many thanks to Greg for bringing a rare 2016 Drouhin-Laroze Bourgogne La Roze Rose (en Magnum) for a beautiful blind. I had thought southern France Rose (or possibly Loire), but the fruit is Gevrey. It had lovely aromatics and a relaxed finish. Very much in the Provencal style of high quality table rose.

The Gruner

David Bueker brought us a showstopper. The 1999 Brundlmayer GrĂŒner Veltliner Alte Reben was a delight. Exceptionally pure nose of creamy grass. Some wonderful character in its mid-palate of white pepper & overall depth. Beautiful, thoughtfully long finish. Like @Mike_Evans, David has a bit of gruner thumb, apparently.

When aged Gruners are this fresh, this wondrous in texture, and so delightful on the nose, I am reminded that in my 20s & early 30s, I often got more excited at drinking Gruner or top level Riesling than drinking mid-level white Burgundy. This was one of my wines of the evening and an exceptional opening wine to follow the blind.

Sauternes

We assembled one of the highest quality Sauternes Flights I can recall. And we had the great fortune of having these early in the evening alongside some buttery Maine lobster while our palates were all fresh & eager.

The 1969 Yquem which M & E Chang brought was revelatory. Stunning in its purity & lack of flaws. No hint of cheese rind or something less than pure on the nose; no acrid evolution on the finish. This was joyous, creamy, subtle, obvious, complex, and harmonious. Apparently this was a dart throw from Michael in an Auction purchase.

When an older Yquem is situated amongst The 1988 & 2001 versions (i.e. the purest, most beautiful & powerful vintages on offer) and still shines with its verve & purity: The bottle is quite special. This wine is the best example of pre-1983 Yquem I have ever had. And rivals my very favorite Yquem experiences of all time. I was stunned in the moment & I remain stunned two days later.

All Bangers in this flight. The 2001 Yquem did not dominate, and in fact, as Dan’s note suggests: was actually a bit reticent. This 1988 Yquem was a bit less spectacular in its acid & construction than the bottle Michael & I had in Charleston the previous weekend, which was sensational. But the Maine version was still quite elegant. The Rieussec was a little more hedonistic & brash. Probably the one sauterne from the flight that might match a bit more with a stronger flavor for course accompaniment (i.e. cheese or a baked fruit tart). The Climens was quite pure & typical for the producer (i.e. a nice combination of light color/texture with a higher sweetness quotient), so Producer typicity was on display for this flight. And all were of very high quality.

The Old Stuff refers to the Red Journey, really. The Sauternes were incredible. The 56 yr old an inspiration.

1979 Side-by-Side: Haut Brion & La Mission

It’s always fantastic to have these two side-by-side in mature versions. I’ve never had this vintage of either of these wines. I was very fond of this showing. And also very fond of this dialogue we had about them.

I think a large chunk of the group might have rated the La Mission as their flight winner for the reasons Dan mentions. More grip & minerality than its sibling. More complexity & mid-palate juiciness.

That said, I preferred the gentle class of the Haut Brion. And I think Michael did too. This is exceptionally silky in the mouth. Much more so than the La Mission. And I found that silk conducive to a wonderful expression of graphite & dark fruits, and earth. David Waller (i.e. Clemens to his oldest friends) shared to me about the La Mission preference on the drive home. But, as I told him: from a Burgundian standpoint, the Haut Brion was plenty beautiful :wink:

Aged Reds: The French Collection

Lots of good examples of a fully mature wine. My favoritee (Outside the HB/LMHB) was the 1989 Sociando-Mallet. I like wines that do what they are supposed to do :). 1989 is a beautiful vintage, capable of wonderfully classic Clarets. This definitely felt the most ‘in its prime’ for my palate. Textbook Sociando-Mallet. Not luxurious juicy or velvet, but great balance from entry through the mid-palate onto the finish. Some tobacco, some minerals, some chewy fruit. Makes you want a juicy chop to match. Which, thankfully, was the Taverna’s strong suit :). Outstanding lamb chops this evening.

I think opinions on the 1976 Pichon Lalande are maybe a bit all over the place? Dan thinks very highly of it. I thought the acid was kind of running amok. Maybe Dan’s palate can handle ‘muscular’ more than mine :rofl: Of my birthyear 1982s, both were cool. I think I liked the Cantenac Brown a touch more, but it was narrow with it & the Brenaire. Edging more tertiary, but still in good shape and showing well in its balance.

Aged Reds: California

The Montelena side-by-side was quite interesting. Once more, reasonable palates will differ. I much preferred the juiciness of the 1986. I’m willing to sacrifice ‘complexity’ for a juicier, more exciting mouthfeel & richness of fruit. The 1982 had more green pepper & dark earth garden aromatics, but was a bit leaner in the mouth and its transitions. 1986 was just a very happy wine. Very composed & joyful in its fruits. I don’t consider that mono-dimensional, but some might.

The 1966 Martini Zinfindel was very fun. Definitely a touch into the weird, but still showing quite well & with personality. I share Dan’s observation of ‘a brawny mouthfeel,’ but I admire its richness and that it had enough minerality to match its eccentricities of fruit.

Conclusion

Another wonderful trip to Maine in the books. I think we all love how much joy & glee Dan gets from having this troop of Berserkers come occupy Brunswick for on Saturday in the Fall. I was very charmed by the atmosphere.

And one final thought:

@Rich_Brown & I used to leave notes in each other’s lockers about the fun old stuff. But then Rich thought I lost myself in all this “Burgundy” & “Champagne” decadence. Maybe he got a little suspicious I wasn’t staying sufficiently weird & nerdy. Plus, solo Rich Brown blew up with his cellar of misfit toys & doorways into the past. I feel like he’s been questioning my old wine integrity :face_with_peeking_eye:

My not-so-hidden hope is that he’ll see these notes as me holding up a boombox. Look at all this Old Stuff. I’m still weird, Rich. I promise :wink:

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Outstanding notes Nick. So great to finally meet you. We were largely in alignment on virtually all of the wines, though I somehow did not get to taste the ‘79 La Mission.

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Ha ha! First off, what an absolutely amazing tasting! Sounds like an incredible night with a literal Berserker All-Star team! Super jealous not to be there!!

And second, i never
not even for a minute
questioned your weirdness my friend, ha! But we really, REALLY need to meet up in person at some point and open some crazy bottles. Thanks so much for posting - i enjoyed the hell out of reading it :cheers:

you-are-so-much-weirder-than-me-lauren-heller

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Well done, all. Seems like a splendid evening.

BTW, the food was delicious. Probably the best lamb chops I have ever had (so good with the Cab-based reds), and the Baklava was also right at the very top.

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2001 Climens (375 mL)

Lightest bodied of the wines, as well as the lightest color. Pure apricot with a hint of coconut on the nose. Lovely acidity on the palate with some more pretty fruits. Long finish. A bit overshadowed in this flight.

2001 Rieussec (375 mL)

I have a soft spot for this wine because we poured it at our wedding. Bottles have been somewhat variable, of late. Shortly after release this felt like it’d give the 01 Yquem a run for its money with immense power and density, but more recently I’ve had mixed experiences. This bottle, however, was firing on all cylinders despite the darker color. It had lovely overripe pineapple and crĂšme brĂ»lĂ©e on the nose, with ample acidity and more fruit on the nose. Just a step behind the Yquem with a bit less precision and length, but very good today.

1988 Yquem (375 mL)

I’ve had some lovely 375s of 1988 in recent years as well as numerous 750s that have been super fresh and classic. This one, however, was drinking quite a bit more mature than you’d like to see, again you can see this was the darkest bottle in the entire lineup. Still classic with lovely crùme anglais and passion fruit on the nose, with more prominent acidity and a bit less brown sugar on the palate. Finish was long but not as long as the Rieussec.

2001 Yquem (750 mL)

This was just a baby, and realistically full bottles of this should probably sit for another 10-15 years. That said, this was still in the running for WOTN in a very crowded field. My wife, who loves Sauternes and has had this wine dozens of times, thought this was the best bottle we’ve ever opened. Candied apricots, flan and a hint of maple syrup on the nose, with more beautiful fruits and crisp acidity on the palate, transitioning into an endless finish. This grew in power over a couple hours in the glass, and certainly had the most potential of any of the wines opened today. However


1969 Yquem (750 mL)

Aged Sauternes is certainly less of a minefield than other aged wines. The wines are durable and usually good, regardless of how they’ve been stored, but improperly stored wines can taste over the hill or tired. This was not one of those wines. This was fresh as a daisy, and if someone said it was a 89 Yquem, i could have certainly agreed. The nose was a wonderland of sweet aromas ranging from pecan pie, to candied walnuts at the Christmas market, to cinnamon apple pie. The palate had a core of brisk acidity along with a kaleidoscope of sweet flavor. The finish was incredibly long, but also evolving, with new layers of flavor emerging with time. This was stunning. It faded slightly after 2 hours in the glass, but what a treat.

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Love that pic! I nursed on a 1969(birth year) bottle when my wife and I turned 50, and it was spectacular the first couple times I coravined it. When we finally pulled the cork, it did seem to act its tired age. 2001 Yquem is just
perfect imo!

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Yeah I think once you get to that age any amount of oxygen might tip it over the edge.

Michael,

Great notes. I was also a little surprised that the '88 showed as old as it did. If we’d had the '88 and '69 blind, I’m not sure I would have been able to tell which was which.

The '01 is as powerful a Sauternes as I can recall. After that '69, I could say that the '01 could sit another 10 - 50 years, not just 10 - 15!

Yeah it’ll definitely last 50+ years but I wouldn’t open a full bottle for at least another decade. I have some mags that will potentially last forever.

I’ve had nearly 100 vintages of Yquem now and this is arguably the best ever made.

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Nice to read everyone’s reflections on the wine; it was quite a lineup. The wines have been covered well in the commentary, so just a few thoughts below. An interesting conversation broke out on the way back to Portland about the virtues of tasting through so many wines showing so well versus savoring one or a few over an evening. There’s no right answer, but it was on a few minds given the breadth of quality in the lineup.

2016 Drouhin-Laroze Bourgogne La Roze - the aromatics on this wine were impressive. Greg serving this blind was a nice reminder of how hard can be to spot the origin of Rose. Reminded me a lot of the Vie di Romans Dessimus but I knew it was not going to be something that easy. Fun to drink, and with it being a magnum, I hope the remainders were enjoyed by the restaurant staff.

1999 Brundlmayer GrĂŒner Veltliner Alte Reben - a spectacular wine; forever changed my view of Gruner.

2002 Michel Gros Vosne Romanee 1er Cru ‘Clos des Reas’ - this was beautiful wine. Warm spice, some blue fruit notes, violets. Most striking was the balance; just perfect. I wander in and out of Burgundy, but this bottle has pointed me solidly in that direction.

1975 Chateau Lanessan - drinking so well, just what you would like from an old Bordeaux

1979 Chateau La Mission Haut-Brion - I preferred this over the Haut Brion. I found it more layered, more complex, though both wines were outstanding.

1982 Cantenac Brown, Branaire, Montelena Estate Cab - I preferred the Cantenac just slightly over the Branaire, which I’ve had twice in the past couple of months. Both wines were excelelnt, but the Cantenac was just right for me. I found an off-putting cotton candy-ish note in the Montelena. Many loved this wine, but for me, it was just a bit off center.

1986 Montelena Estate Cab - this Montelena was fantastic. Still going strong, will be amazing in 10 years.

1953 Bodegas Bilbainas Rioja Viña Pomal Reserva Especial - I brought this wine. Still a lot of fruit, with a broad palate. It would have been tough to call this as a Rioja blind, as it was purely fruit to me without other Rioja markers. I did sense a bottle funk on this wine that did not seem to blow off with time. Perhaps not a 100% sound bottle but hard to say.

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I’m generally a proponent of larger wine dinners; even within such an event you can find certain wines that speak to you and spend a lot of time with them.

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