Montrachet pronunciation?

[Chris_Seiber]

Back to the issue of pronouncing it, isn’t there sort of an H sound at the beginning of the second syllable? Mon-hrah-sheh?

[Alan_Rath]

Forget foreign names and words, you’ll get just as many different pronunciations of places like New Orleans, Missouri, Helena, to name a few.

[john_stimson]

@François Audouze

Personnally, I do not pretend to know the truth, but I would pronounce the “s” for Cornas, Vacqueyras, Rayas…
And I would not pronounce the “s” for Carpentras…

Interesting to discuss this with Francois, but at least in restaurants in France (the ultimate authority, right), I’ve routinely been corrected if I didn’t pronounce the s in vacqueyras, Gigondas, and Cornas. And Kermit pronounces the s in Gigondas, so it has to be correct, right? Then there’s Cos in bordeaux, which frequently get’s mis-pronounced. What about Petrus? I presume it gets it’s s, but I’ve never had the opportunity to be corrected when ordering this one…

[ATaylor]

How To Pronounce French Wine # puligny montrachet

this is how I learned it and have heard it spoken most of the time…

[Joshua_Kates]

@John Morris

For what it’s worth, many years ago in Carpentras, I was conversing with a local man on the street who said that the natives pronounced the S but that people from Paris didn’t. He said it was fine either way.

Never heard the “s” in Carpentras pronounced when I was in those parts; you may know better. It’s the same thing with “Cassis,” the town, not the liqueur. Locals pronounce the “s,” others do not.

My understanding, btw, is that Provencal is hardly the best French; that accolade normally goes to Paris. (Just think of "-la, which they pronounce “lo.”)

[Neal.Mollen]

@François Audouze

More complex is the case of Echézeaux and Grands-Echézeaux.

Normally the “é” should be pronounced “hay” but I see many people including important people of Burgundy pronouncing “heu” instead of “hé”

And what surprised me is that Aubert de Villaine prounounced grand -d- échézeaux and not
gran-z-échézeaux which is what should be done.

François, aren’t there instances in which one “connects” two words, one ending in a consonant and the next beginning with a vowel, so that the “d” in grand and the “e” in échézeaux would be pronounced as Villaine suggested? Something in my memories of high school French tells me this is so

[Otto_Forsberg]

@Chris Seiber

Like everyone, I just kind of pick and choose based on how I feel. I go with mon-trah-shay. Even though I know that first t is correctly just sort of thought but not said. It’s just too much.

Just like pronouncing Arkansas as “Ahr-kansas”. I mean, if there is an “s”, it must be said out loud.

[Gerhard_P]

@François Audouze

Personnally, I do not pretend to know the truth, but I would pronounce the “s” for Cornas, Vacqueyras, Rayas…
And I would not pronounce the “s” for Carpentras…

I confirm that the final “s” is pronounced in Cornas, Vacqueyras, Rayas…(and Gigondas) … I have been there multiple times … always with “s” …

For me the “rule” is easy: if it´s a personal or local name: pronounce it as the “owners” or inhabitants do …
so I say: “Fissin” (am I a snob now?)

For Carpentras I´m not sure - I think I heard it once pronounced with final “s” … but I could easily be wrong.

Funny: Domaine du Pégaü is originally pronounced Peh-gow (ending like cow), that´s the ways Paul Féraud pronounces it, because it´s Provençal (a clay wine jug)… but Laurence usually now says Peg-oh - because that´s the way almost every Frenchman does …

Cassis: the Burgundian blackcurrant liquor is pronounced WITH final “s”,
the harbour (and dry white wine) in Southern France is pronounced without “s” → Cassih

[John_Morris]

@Gerhard P.

Cassis: the Burgundian blackcurrant liquor is pronounced WITH final “s”,
the harbour (and dry white wine) in Southern France is pronounced without “s” → Cassih

That’s probably because so many Parisians flock there in the summer time and they don’t know how to pronounced it properly.

[Otto_Forsberg]

@Gerhard P.

Funny: Domaine du Pégaü is originally pronounced Peh-gow (ending like cow), that´s the ways Paul Féraud pronounces it, because it´s Provençal (a clay wine jug)… but Laurence usually now says Peg-oh - because that´s the way almost every Frenchman does …

Well, it would be pronounced “Peg-oh” if it was written as Pégau or Pegau. However, if it written as “Pégaü”, it should be pronounced “Peh-gow”.

[Gerhard_P]

@John Morris

@Gerhard P.

Cassis: the Burgundian blackcurrant liquor is pronounced WITH final “s”,
the harbour (and dry white wine) in Southern France is pronounced without “s” → Cassih

That’s probably because so many Parisians flock there in the summer time and they don’t know how to pronounced it properly.

John,
do you mean the town (and wine) in Southern France?
I was told by two inhabitants, one a wine-producer, that it is → Cassih without “s” …
different from the liquor …

[Gerhard_P]

@Otto Forsberg

Well, it would be pronounced “Peg-oh” if it was written as Pégau or Pegau. However, if it written as “Pégaü”, it should be pronounced “Peh-gow”.

Right, but many French people (usually from Paris) don´t know …

[Mark_Cochard]

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[Francois_Audouze]

@Neal.Mollen

@François Audouze

More complex is the case of Echézeaux and Grands-Echézeaux.

Normally the “é” should be pronounced “hay” but I see many people including important people of Burgundy pronouncing “heu” instead of “hé”

And what surprised me is that Aubert de Villaine prounounced grand -d- échézeaux and not
gran-z-échézeaux which is what should be done.

François, aren’t there instances in which one “connects” two words, one ending in a consonant and the next beginning with a vowel, so that the “d” in grand and the “e” in échézeaux would be pronounced as Villaine suggested? Something in my memories of high school French tells me this is so

Neal,
It is not Grand but Grands and when there is the plural, the “s” must be pronounced. You say grands -z-enfants and you say grands-z-échézeaux.

[Scott_G_r_u_n_e_r]

Personally I like “Mount Racket”
Tends to go well with my Fill Et Mig None

[Neal.Mollen]

@François Audouze

@Neal.Mollen

@François Audouze

More complex is the case of Echézeaux and Grands-Echézeaux.

Normally the “é” should be pronounced “hay” but I see many people including important people of Burgundy pronouncing “heu” instead of “hé”

And what surprised me is that Aubert de Villaine prounounced grand -d- échézeaux and not
gran-z-échézeaux which is what should be done.

François, aren’t there instances in which one “connects” two words, one ending in a consonant and the next beginning with a vowel, so that the “d” in grand and the “e” in échézeaux would be pronounced as Villaine suggested? Something in my memories of high school French tells me this is so

Neal,
It is not Grand but Grands and when there is the plural, the “s” must be pronounced. You say grands -z-enfants and you say grands-z-échézeaux.

So my mistake was spelling more than pronunciation! Thanks

[Joel_S_Morris]

Same with Mon-Rose (Montrose)?

[Gerhard_P]

@Joel S Morris

Same with Mon-Rose (Montrose)?

Yes - no pronounced “t” … and -rose more like -rohs(e)
→ Moh(n)rohs(e)
(= hill of the roses)