May we have a list of producers in Burgundy who put as much effort into their bourgognes as their grand crus?

WINE TALK
1

Was watching this old video by @William_Kelley about the appellation hierarchy being reconstructed rather than revealed
he mentions lower standards via

  • poor clonal selection of chard/pinot (I think this is the least likely factor to be changed)
  • higher yields
  • lower standards of viticulture (I’m guessing this would be with regards to pruning, cultivation, sprays, weeding, deleafing, green harvesting… Lots of stuff. Basically just being in the vineyards,
  • less optimum picking times
  • less careful sorting, less careful pressing, shorter macerations, lesser quality oak, shorter elevage

Video here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_INK0HMFg&list=PLu6nLyL3U9D4_C-u_5MRjpyO4IE4wJyB3&index=2&pp=iAQB

It made me remember a remark from a producer in that book by raj parr, the atlas of taste, who was very proud to tell raj that he treats all his appellations with the same care… I can’t remember the name though

Can anyone share which producers are proud to say this and are willing to invest the time and money to do it?

2 Likes
2

JMT Bouley told me he loses money on his Bourgogne because he makes it with as much care as his full range. Also said he loses on his Haute Cotes. This would be his cellar pricing, not secondary pricing (as I note the Haute Cotes has jumped up in price last couple vintages… '21 “Vibrations” - the name he added to it - was pretty quaffable!).

3 Likes
3

I mean, who is going to say they half-ass their Bourgogne?

2 Likes
4

a good place to start is with producers who in fact make no grand cru wine…

4 Likes
5

I don’t the folks at Jadot would say they pull out all the stops for their Bourgogne

6

Faure and Kelley himself are probably good examples :wink:

1 Like
7

I think Barnier has said they treat all of their wines the same in the winery to let the terroir show through.

1 Like
8

I think many board members know the names that first come to mind:
Mugneret-Gibourg
D. Bachelet
Roumier
G. Barthod

It occurs to me that I have never seen one from Rousseau–or Fourrier–for that matter. I assume they don’t make one.

9

Fourrier has both a Bourgogne Blanc and a Bourgogne rouge

10

Cathiard is quite good in red.
Pillot is quite good in white.

3 Likes
11

Domaine or Jean-Marie?

12

Coche Dury perhaps?

5 Likes
13

Meh. I find their Village mediocre at best and certainly not worth the crazy tariffs.

14

Cathiard definitely. I love their HcdB. Both Pillots make good lower end reds also.

2 Likes
15

I think it just takes forever to be ready to drink.

1 Like
16

I think a deal of realism is required.
If the rain’s coming, where are the growers going to send the pickers? To the best plots.
But in fine, unhurried vintages there is a chance to afford great care to the less hallowed terroirs.
But it’s inevitable that the Grand Crus will receive more attention to detail in the vineyard, more rigorous sorting, picking when the grapes are deemed to be optimal, see the best oak etc etc
But there are Bourgogne’s that are consistently good. Roumier BB springs to mind, as does Arnoux’s Pinot Fin.
Having said that my contact with Bourgognes is dimishing, preferring to look for value in Mercurey, Rully, Macon etc

3 Likes
17

Like all his wines, no? (Not sure on tariff; I haven’t bought it for a while.)

18

The difference between the Roumier Bourgogne and the village may be the biggest in all of Burgundy. The Bourgogne is…oof…

Fourrier absoultely makes a Bourgogne in both colors; they are not all from Domaine fruit.

1 Like
19

Thanks everyone!

20

Many great produced Bourgognes, my favs
Reds:
Koji domaine (expensive)
Charles Lachaux
Roty Pres. (used to be in Gevrey, but was de-classified) is crazy value, but needs a bit of time in cellar
White
PYCM - crazy value at release price, just secured 22 ~40 euros :slight_smile:
Dujac bourgogne blanc

1 Like