That’s good to hear. The 2006 took almost 15 years to come around.
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Definitely. Tough to put money elsewhere if I can find Marsannay between $20-35
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Thanks, Howard. Makes sense. Prob a good vintage for that wine at this time. Cheers.
A wine pushes your buttons one way or the other. Sometimes it’s about intellectual engagement, sometimes it’s just that it makes you dizzy in a please way. It can be based on economics, whether by being a terrific, low-priced deal on a Côte du Rhône but buttons can be pushed just as easily on a $1000 bottle of Chambertin. This has a lot to do with the age of the drinker and their experience with the category. I’ve been ITB a long time and have a lot to choose from in the lockers but I find myself gravitating these days to the Loire, Beaujolais, the nether regions of Italy, and the new CA and Oz producers. Meanwhile, the big collectible bottles “continue to evolve” in storage. I still drink them, but not as regularly as I used to.
I also think that RyanC is onto something about the idea of one’s expectations from a wine. If you don’t pay as much, you don’t expect as much, and that leaves plenty of room for the wine to exceed those expectations. DF
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Interesting. I drink BR all the time, but have no use for BB. On the Blanc side, I really only find GCs or top tier 1er particularly enjoyable.
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Indeed. Over the past several years, I’ve drank a whole lot of trophy bottles. DRC, Rayas, Krug and the usual suspects.
The single bottle that made me happiest? Perhaps a bottle of '18 Dureuil-Janthial Rully Blanc, which cost me $35 and was so perfect and so exceeded expectations that it pushed a good Tuesday to a great one. The value of an over-achiever shouldn’t be underestimated.
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I had a 2015 a year or so ago and was as impressed as you were-- the best Bourgogne Rouge I’ve ever had.
Picked up a few bottles of the 2017 when I saw them on closeout. Tried one recently and it wasn’t doing much for me, but (like the 2015) it may just need time.
Howard,
Without you starting this thread I don’t think I would express this sentiment as my experience with PC or GC (even less) is quite limited. But I have had a lot of joy and pleasure in good quality BR (and BB) that it the thought crossed my mind - how much more pleasure could you get out of a bottle than “this”?
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I think there’s a time and a place for wine. Sometimes you want a wine that’s delicious but doesn’t require a lot of thought, and Bourgogne is perfect for that.
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Mikael, being in my 60s, I have had over the last 40 years plus a ton of grand crus and premier crus and many can be fabulous - the stuff dreams are made of. Some are many of the greatest wines I have ever tasted.
But, on this night, on this occasion, this wine was perfect, and my real point (probably poorly stated) is that a really good simple Bourgogne Rouge on certain occasions can be what is perfect for the occasion and for these occasions is better than something more complex. This situation was dinner outside on a beautiful night at our country club with a couple of close friends whose favorite winery is Manischewitz. They actually liked the Bourgogne (shocking in itself - they generally let half their glasses sit) and it was a wine that was perfect with the beautiful evening. It is pretty rare for us to have a wine we really like that this couple likes.
We even gave some to our waiter (also a part-time bartender at our club that I am trying to teach a bit about wine) and he loved it. I do feel a bit guilty that I have now given him two Burgundies to try that he has loved.
This Thursday, at my regular Burg group tasting, we are doing Chambolle and I will also love being back to drinking fabulous premier crus. There is a place in life for both of these types of wines. I always love drinking the premier crus, but sometimes feel I have to remember to drink the simpler Burgs as there is a spot for them as well where they are the right wine and can be marvelous.
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It’s now firmly in the $50+ category. Might get to $70+ in a couple of years…
I’m jealous that @Michael_Chang can still buy these under $40. Last offer I had for 2020 was $50 and I declined.
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If you’re referring to me that’s someone else. I was offered 2020 at 50 less 30% and that’s the last batch I bought; I think I was offered 21 around $50, but passed because I have probably ~15 cases of the Bourgogne from 17-20. Some went into the cases I’ve sent out and we drank a lot but I still have a good amount.
That is a great price on the Hudelot Bourgogne, what shop is offering that great deal? The best I’ve got was $45.
Was; there was a 30% coupon off $50 pricing.
Ahh got it,
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Howard, I think your post illustrates perfectly that wine is all about time and place. It’s why I can drink Tempier Bandol and simply be transported to a place and time.
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Give me Mugneret-Gibourg, Lafarge or Ghislane Barthod Bon Batons and I am happy with Bourgogne. I do love the Nico Rossignol wines too. Bourgogne can certainly bring satisfaction.
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This is now a $200 wine.
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Wow. Anyone want all mine for $180/bottle?
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I am glad to have drink some rouge with intensity, depth, sexy texture with a dreamy finish. I am sure there must be another gear or two.
Posted this a while back and they fit quite well within the BB context:
https://www.wineberserkers.com/t/burgundy-lecheneaut-roty/173040
@MChang - indeed, though every now and then a bottle gives one plenty to think and contemplate about.