Let's talk Chambolle

[R_Frankel]

Sorry for continuing the hijack of the Chambolle thread. I’ll add that Musigny is obviously better than Bonnes Mares, duh.

I love Bonnes Mares and own more of it than any other grand cru but even I would not argue otherwise.

All the Burgundies I own are worse than the ones I don’t.

Yet our dogs and children are above average. It all balances out.

[Craig_G]

I love Bonnes Mares and own more of it than any other grand cru but even I would not argue otherwise.

All the Burgundies I own are worse than the ones I don’t.

Yet our dogs and children are above average. It all balances out.

My dogs are way above average!

[A_Songeur]

…by the way, Barthod owns 11 er crus not 9. She added Noirots and Sentiers who used to be blended in Chambolle village as she has small plots. Unfortunately, will need to wait many years before opening as they are quite recent additions…

[Peter_Chiu]

Thanks Antoine.

According J. Morris ( Inside Burgundy - Edition 1 page 190) and Rosenthal’s Web…it is listed only 9 - 1er cru.

It is nice to learn that that she added Noirots and Sentiers.


*…will need to wait many years before opening as they are quite recent additions…

[Stan_Y]

My '17 Jouans just arrived last week…Morey VV, Sorbe, and CSD.

Where were you still getting 17s? My 18 CM VV and CSD just arrived last week.

These were being held over the summer, but I also added a few to a SommPicks order last week (multiple bottles costs the same to ship as a couple, so free shipping, right? )…still have some of everything.

[Josh_Najjar]

There’s no doubt the VRs can outclass almost all other Burgs when they’re on. Auction pricing seems to confirm that. Nonetheless, Chambolles have always been my ‘go to’ commune in Burgundy. I can also attest that I’ve had better luck over the years opening up CM PCs over VR PCs.

I remember starting a thread over 10 years years asking board members to choose their preference between VR and CM and the great majority chose VR.

I was in the minority as I’ve always had a soft sport for CMs.
They may not have the nobility of many VRs but I never seem to tire of them.

They’ve also been some comments on this thread of people’s love for the ‘feminine’ scented wines of Volnay and Chambolle. I too, often gravitate to these two communes. Still at a recent tasting, I switched from a CM PC to a Volnay PC, and I was surprised how much I preferred the general tasting profile of the CM, compared to the Volnay I had switched to.

Of course there are no right or wrong answer here, just a personal preference.
Mugnier may be one of the high points of the commune, but there is a bevy of sublime producers here such as Barthod, Mugneret-Gibourg, Bertheau, Drouhin, Clavelier, Hudelot, Vogue, and Sigaut.

[Josh_Najjar]

I really like the wines from Ghislaine Barthod. You can take your pick. To me the epitome of Chambolle is Mugnier. I like it better than Roumier or Vogue or any of the others. The best value many times comes from Drouhin. These wines are so elegant and delicious. I also adore Bruno Clavelier’s Combe de Orveaux which is very close in location to an area of Musigny. More structured at times but still shows the elegance I love. Many others will foot the bill as you can see above.

Don,


I totally agree with all your comments.

Looking forward to 5-10 years from now when hopefully most of my Barthods will be mature.
Are there any vintages of Barthods that you’re drinking now ?

[dcornutt]

I really like the wines from Ghislaine Barthod. You can take your pick. To me the epitome of Chambolle is Mugnier. I like it better than Roumier or Vogue or any of the others. The best value many times comes from Drouhin. These wines are so elegant and delicious. I also adore Bruno Clavelier’s Combe de Orveaux which is very close in location to an area of Musigny. More structured at times but still shows the elegance I love. Many others will foot the bill as you can see above.

Don,


I totally agree with all your comments.

Looking forward to 5-10 years from now when hopefully most of my Barthods will be mature.
Are there any vintages of Barthods that you’re drinking now ?

Josh. The best have been about 10 to 15 years old but I have yet to have a totally mature bottle. That is coming in the future.

[Gaudissabois_Johan]

Dear Jay,

I comment on your post about failing to catch BARTHOD’s wines at the best time. I had similar experiences. I think these are wines that demand sufficient time. Still, I understood what you were stating. As an aside : haven’t read the whole fantastic thread (I am trying now) but regarding the fact that too many CHAMBOLLE wines arguably seem to come from winemakers outside Chambolle (HUDELOT-NOELLAT, ARNOUX-LACHAUX, GRIVOT, ANNE GROS, BRUNO CLAIR and so many others) that may be partly true. But do not forget about upcoming star Dominque Le Guen at HUDELOT-BAILLET. I already mentioned it elsewhere…His winery is oppositie the small but excellent restaurant LE CHAMBOLLE…

SINCERELY JOHAN

[Andrew_K]

I actually just heard about Hudelot-Baillet and recently picked up a mixed case of the 19s including the BM. Great value across the range, I hope they also come through on experience.

[Dale_Bowers]

Had a lovely 2017 Bertheau 1’er last night.

[dcornutt]

Had a lovely 2017 Bertheau 1’er last night.

One of my personal favorites. Wonderful wine.

[Brady_Daniels]

I actually just heard about Hudelot-Baillet and recently picked up a mixed case of the 19s including the BM. Great value across the range, I hope they also come through on experience.

We recently had both the ‘10 Charmes and Cras, and both were fantastic. His village wines are delicious young, if you want to experiment soon.

[Gaudissabois_Johan]

Dear Andrew,

You can rely on HUDELOT-BAILLET wines to deliver. Looking for extremely fine premier cru ? I advice the BORNIQUES. But the CHARMEs and CRAS and even the vieilles vignes village are worth while chasing. I do not mention the BONNES MARES since I never had the chance to compare it to ROUMIER’s, MUGNIER’s, De VOGÛé’s version. Will try that soon.

SINCERELY JOHAN

[Andrew_K]

Did a fun side by side last night. 2019 CM VV from Lignier and Felettig.

Lignier is so soft and supple, elegant to the max but with bright acid perfectly in balance. This was my first bottle of the '19 and both my wife and I absolutely loved it and could drink it every night. I tracked down a couple more cases in the UK late last night as there’s nothing available in the US.

Felettig has a very similar nose and palate, but it’s a little more angular and rough around the edges right now compared to the Lignier. I’ve had several of these over the past year or two and always thought it was good and it is. Lignier is just another level at this young stage. It’s like putting any solid producer up against the Sisters. It’s going to lose.

[Ryan_A]

@Gaudissabois_Johan

HUDELOT-BAILLET

I second HUDELOT-BAILLET. Was there last month and blown away… and the Bones… wow.

[MChang]

@Andrew_K

Did a fun side by side last night. 2019 CM VV from Lignier and Felettig.

Lignier is so soft and supple, elegant to the max but with bright acid perfectly in balance. This was my first bottle of the '19 and both my wife and I absolutely loved it and could drink it every night. I tracked down a couple more cases in the UK late last night as there’s nothing available in the US.

Felettig has a very similar nose and palate, but it’s a little more angular and rough around the edges right now compared to the Lignier. I’ve had several of these over the past year or two and always thought it was good and it is. Lignier is just another level at this young stage. It’s like putting any solid producer up against the Sisters. It’s going to lose.

That sounds good; I’ve never actually had that wine although I like the baudes.

[N.Lehto]

Anyone that can give their thoughts on Sigaut? Possibly even specifically on the Noirots?

[YLee]

Sigaut is very good wine , especially the sentiers vv

[MChang]

I’m a big fan of sigaut. I think I’ve had the noirots a few times and it was very nice.