Here is a picture of '94 regular bottling. Compare it to the picture of the mag I posted in my original post. Clearly they are the same. Not sure what you are trying to get at.
Not sure how approachable the Chave family is, but sometimes I’ve emailed producers for info on labelling and bottlings and more often than not they’ve been happy to provide info.
Try them and see—
They literally are different, mag to 750. I can’t be any clearer. I worked in the industry. You guys are caught up in design, but volume differences require that they are unique.
It’s not like this sort of thing doesn’t happen just as a matter of course. While not so pricey, I have documented in the past specific label differences within the same vintage(!) of Domaine Pegau - all brought in through Dan Kravitz’s Hand Picked Selections.
The other possibility is that the magnum was released and labeled much later, after the new label design came into use. It’s common to store wines unlabeled, and the vintage and quantify is often overprinted on the base label. So it could be that they had some mags sitting around for a while and that, by the time they were sold, they had only the new labels.
How many vintages of both 750ml and magnum Chave Hermitage do you have in your cellar?
Please produce photos to support your (repeated) position. I have produced photos to support my position.
I would appreciate knowing what your actual relevant experience base is here
I am not saying they are fake; I am saying there is a legitimate query being raised
please look at my photo for proof that this statement is incorrect
Certainly could be the case and hope that’s what happened here.
This a more plausible explanation than “oh it is a magnum so it must have different label”
You are overlooking the obvious. You are making yourself look stupid here.
Angry people fueled by paranoia. That’s what wine is all about! ![]()
Methinks you have it backwards. “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” And I’m not speaking about Brodie.
Agreed.
I love it, you refuse to back up your argument with actual data and then respond with insults.
I wish you the best of luck in life given that this is is how you cope with being disagreed with.
So your argument is…?
That the guy with three names is opining about something about which he knows nothing.
I presented it in my posts. You and others are overlooking it. The premise was the labels can’t be different and by law/regulation they have to be based on volume. It’s just that simple.
I owned a label company. I worked in the wine industry. I know way more than most on here when it comes to labeling laws.
What you’ve done and where you’ve been still doesnt explain or answer my question. At this point its just pointless endless ramblings.
The reason you’re getting such a hard time about your claim is that it is 1) wrong and 2) irrelevant:
- It’s wrong because there are tons of producers who reuse their 750 labels for magnums and they will literally put a sticker or handwrite the 1500ml volume
- It’s irrelevant because the question is not why the label would be non-identical but why it would have anachronistic graphic design. John’s answer is the most likely one - the magnum was sold and labeled later, which happens all the time. Nobody’s gonna fake a Chave and make it a '96.
