Jadot Pernand 1er Croix Pierre - Vintage confusion

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I recently responded to a local retailers email announcing clearance pricing on some items included this from 2005. The price was agreeable so I requested the remaining few bottles. Stopped in today to pick them up along with a few other items. While storing them at home, I noticed that the vintage is 2001.

This is my first exposure to this Jadot wine. From the looks of reviews and tasting notes, it looks like this is a very consistent performer. I know 2001 is not 2005, though I am favorably disposed to this vintage. Problem is I can’t find any data on this wine in 2001.

I am inclined to keep them (the retailer would take them back I am sure) unless someone tells me that 2001 is an outlier for this Pernand. Anyone…?

Wow! I knew things had been hectic for me of late, but I got a true reality check when I realized that this is my first post in Wine Talk and only 2nd on the site. Sorry for not pulling my weight.

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We need the Jadotocity of Leo Frokic up in this place…

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Hello G,

Given that 2001 was not a great vintage in the Cote de Beaune (whereas there are many properly good 2001 Cote de Nuits wines) I would be asking for the 2005 I had paid for pretty sharpish.

Cheers,
David.

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The storage question of where the wine has been for the last 5 years would be more important to me than the vintage question, as this is a pretty superb wine year in and year out. I would jump at a well-stored '01 for sure.

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It’s been awhile, but I went through 2-3 half bottles of this I picked up for nothing at a NH Liquor store a few years back. I remember it as more on the lean/tart cherry side, but still good.

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Hello Keith,

I’m sure you have more experience with this wine than I do (I generally buy grower Burgundy rather than negoc) but it would have to be a pretty special 01 to match an 05. Moreover, my experiences with 01 Cote de Beaune wines (like my last one reported here) have not been so positive; I can understand David Z’s suggestion of it being somewhat lean and tart. If I purchased some 05s and on delivery found I’d been sent 01s I’d most certainly be after the stuff I actually paid for.

Cheers,
David.

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I have not had the wine in question, but I would be careful extrapolating a bad experience with 2001 Volnay to suggest that 2001 was a bad vintage across all of the Cote de Beaune. 2001 was poor across much of Volnay (and parts of Pommard?) due to extensive hail damage. Pernand is pretty far from Volnay, and the few '01 Savignys and Beaune 1ers I’ve had (which are much closer to Pernand) have been pretty good.

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I could give a better answer if I knew the price, but I do think caution is warranted.

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Hello Colin,

I’ve had many Cote de Beaune 2001s which have been below par, the Volnay was just the most recent. A couple I’ve tried recently and been disappointed by were different Cortons from the usually reliable Domaine Chandon de Briailles. Corton is right next door to Pernand and if Chandon de Briailles cannot deliver the goods from that locality in that vintage I do worry about others.

I don’t buy that much Savigny or Beaune so will happily yield to your greater experience as far as those two villages go.

Cheers,
David.

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I am not the hugest fan of the 2001 vintage even in the Cote de Nuits, but, like I said before, Clos de la Croix de Pierre is great stuff every year. And of course as was pointed out above, the hill-of-Corton crus are closer to Nuits St. Georges than they are to Volnay.

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Judging by this, Pernand was fine in 2001:

  • 2001 Domaine Chandon de Briailles Pernand-Vergelesses 1er Cru Les Vergelesses - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Pernand-Vergelesses 1er Cru (1/13/2010)
    Extremely supple and elegant mouthfeel, kind of like a very feminine Pomerol. But being a Burgundy, this has strong acidity and intense notes of dried cranberry, with a very attractive touch of sap as well. (This gained weight on day 2, bringing it to a 90.) Should be at peak in the next five years. (90 pts.)

Posted from CellarTracker

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I stand corrected! [wink.gif]

Cheers,
David.

PS. But I’d still go for 2005 given the choice. [tease.gif]

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I’d say if the price was in the $30 range it’s worth a shot (there seems to be some availability at that price; http://www.postwines.com/search/detail?id=1011323" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

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Available no more Steve. The clearance price was actually almost 20% less than that. Didn’t realize it was on their site as I only saw it in their email. Meadows seemed to praise even if his rating seemed lower than his remarks suggest.

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If the choice is the 2001 for $25/btl vs. nothing, I’d go with the 2001. If the choice is the 2001 for $25/btl vs. the 2005 for $25/btl, I’m guessing David is right and go for the 2005, but you might have to wait a bit before it’s worth drinking.

David-- the only 2001 Corton I’ve had was the Bouchard Le Corton at Bouchard last year. I liked it quite a bit, but it was only a taste and I am easily impressed.

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Hello Collin,

I’m willing to admit I could be wrong about those Cortons. I didn’t taste them blind and given that my view of Corton is not completely positive* it could have been my mind leading my nose. I’ve got a mag of Corton Bressandes 2001 from Chandon de Briailles which I will try to taste with an open mind in 3-5 years time.

Cheers,
David.

*I’ve tasted (and purchased) so much of the stuff, but I just find most of them to be at the slightly tough and fun-lacking end of the red Burgundy spectrum. I have a few bottles of well-reviewed Corton which I hope, when they are properly mature, will deliver more fun than the examples I’ve tried up until now.

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I don’t doubt your experience with the 2001 Cortons. I was only musing on my lone data point. I also wasn’t kidding when I said I am easily impressed, especially when in a tasting room or cellar in Burgundy.

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Hello again Collin,

Quite! Tasting in a winemaker’s cellar in Burgundy is a real treat. There are usually a range of wines to try and having the vigneronne on hand to answer your questions and explain his/her wines is really pleasing. The only downside to tasting cask samples in a Burgundian cellar? The amount you get to try is usually minuscule and you are vaguely obliged to not taste all of your sample but hand some back to be returned to the cask. When I’m at Roumier I want to ‘taste’ (my tastebuds are more sensitive right at the very back of my mouth) all the wine I’m given! And more, come to think of it! Hooray for lots of Burgundy!

I am pleased you are compelled by the Burgundy tasting experience.

Cheers,
David.

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Corton, like Clos-Vougeot, is a greatly misunderstood appellation for three reasons:

  1. Both are so large that there is a great diversity of quality of producers.

  2. Both are so large that there is a great diversity of terroirs (significantly more important for Corton than Clos-Vougeot).

  3. Both require a great amount of aging before they show their stuff.

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I love the rustic intensity of the best Corton and Clos-Vougeot reds. In fact, I sort of prefer this style to the more elegant and more expensive GCs. Some of the various Chambertin are also like this.