Who are you, exactly? This is not only a legitimate question but a mild reminder that the forum rule is that those ITB disclose it in their signature. In this case, having done so would help me to put your post in context.
And thank you for your great response, Jason. Lots to digest there.
Bob, he’s presumably Jason Jardine of Rhys and Flowers. A fellow SMU Mustang!
My apologies Bob. I meant “being who I am” in the sense that I try very hard to not intervene and allow the vineyards to do their thing… I should have disclosed that I am ITB and the President/Director of Winemaking for Flowers Vineyard & Winery. Previously worked with KH at Rhys Vineyards. I will be sure to disclose on any future post.
Thanks.
Jason
Oh, great. I’m surrounded by Smoos. Fight on!
If he’s at Rhys and Flowers that explains why I’ve never heard of him. ![[stirthepothal.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/f/f40faec63ca1018898a40805efbf9f0066a3d205.gif "[stirthepothal.gif]"){kind=small}
(Doesn’t negate the suggestion that he disclose his connections in his sig, though).
Hey, Kelley Fox and Rollin Soles are Aggies. So it could be worse.
Yeah, but Rollin’s a close friend of Lyle Lovett’s, so he’s got that going for him.
I’ll see your Mustang and raise you a Trojan.
How about them ponies? June Jones is the man!
Ouch! Hard to compete…
Good luck with that. ![[tease.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/c/c5b32b76bebaa359b0452ae247b61189ffe5fa7e.gif "tease"){kind=small}
I may be stealing Keith’s thunder, but I don’t believe ultimately that the results of undue intervention are subject to personal opinion. In the end, spoofalated wines provide little but ephemeral, if intense, pleasure.
But what level of intervention is undue? Presumably, it’s a level that makes a wine seem spoofy or negatively affects the aging or something like that, and those determinations probably involve some level of personal opinion. If you bleed enough juice to fill a 5 gal carboy from a half ton of grapes, I don’t think it will make the wine seem spoofy. Jim or Keith may disagree, but based on experience it wouldn’t seem spoofy to me. I think doing a cold soak has a much bigger effect, things mentioned in the same breath above like megapurple or enzymes I’m sure would have a bigger effect. If you bleed off high percentages of juice, then I think it would make the wine seem amped up (like megapurple, etc., this is outside my personal experience). So, saignee is certainly an intervention but not an undue one, IMO, unless high percentages are bled off.
-Al
Keith In those years when La Tache cannot ripen their grapes and they add cane sugar is that a spoof trick?
Jim Same question. Is that interventionist and is the La Tache a spoofalated wine?
To you. Others feel differently.
Yessir. The Pony Express rides again!
Please explain.
This point has been made here countless times by some of the California folk who have never met an intervention they don’t like in order to accuse those of us who favor minimal intervention of being hypocrites. If you’re A-OK with chaptalizing to boost alcohol .5%, then how in the world can you be opposed to using grape concentrate or spinning cones, the argument seems to be. Well, someone else can articulate the difference and defend chaptalization if they feel like it but it won’t be me, since I’m actually not A-OK with it. I’m perfectly happy with pinots at 11-12% alcohol and would probably favor disclosure requirements or AOC restrictions on chaptalization.
Maybe there are levels in between the over used spoofulation or the “folk who have never met an intervention they don’t like” and the supposed non-interventionists? But that was my original point which got lost in accusations of trolling. Its all intervention at some point. Don’t you think that a full on ‘interventionist’ wine, like say what likely an SQN is, will show its true colors in the final product? I don’t understand the need for dissection of every little thing that can be done as if we are creating a point scale with a title like “How interventionist is your wine?” that will be something like carbon foot print points. This want for wineries to be accountable to every little nit-pick that can be thought up is a little over the top.
The entire universe of wine is not the geeky, obsessed group that posts on wine boards (I include me in that group - so I am not taking a shot at anyone). I am in a tasting group with some very experienced tasters who adore the kind of wines that we decry as spoof on a regular basis. None of them post on wine boards, and all of them derive great pleasure from drinking the kinds of wine they like. They honestly think my love of more “intellectual” styles of wine is a bit daft.
As a fellow geek, I hear you. But I guess the thing that sealed the deal for me was the surprising number of makers of full throttle spoof who don’t drink their own wines.
Look, I loved my Uncle Mike with his satin shirts unbuttoned nearly to his navel. He was a studmaster, I am certain, back in 1974.
Spoofalated wines are more and more going to rightly be seen as that satin shirt. I shudder to think what all the women who got boob jobs in the last few years are going to do at family reunions in twenty years.
They’ll be on the Real Housewives of Orange County.