I know it’s not “the market” but damn Burgundy pricing…

[Andrew_K]

The first thing to learn is that the lowest retail price that you see listed today only tells you how much the wine isn’t selling for . If it were selling for that much, it wouldn’t be available anymore. If you want a certain wine today, you’re going to pay whatever the asking price is. If you want to get a good price, you have to wait until it’s offered for that much and probably jump on it pretty quickly.

The best way to get an idea of what a wine is worth is to look at the WMJ auction prices, which you can see for free on CT.

[Andrew_K]

Current release pricing is a whole different beast and it’s been quite a while that you could often backfill for less than the current release. Sometimes that’s a good deal, sometimes the producer is making better wine today, so it’s not really apples to apples

I’m talking about secondary market retailers vs auction pricing. Auction pricing has been falling for about 3 years now and the retailers don’t seem to have caught on.

[mmeyers]

A quick search suggests Edulis is in Geneve, is that correct? Others you’d recommend? Flying into GVA in a week and will be in the region for a few days. Would enjoy visiting some local places. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

[Phil_T_r_o_t_t_e_r]

@mmeyers

Would enjoy visiting some local places.

DM coming.

[MatthewClark]

Edulis seems to be by referral only. May I give your name?

[Phil_T_r_o_t_t_e_r]

@MatthewClark

Edulis seems to be by referral only. May I give your name?

DM sent

[Nick_Ryan]

Bruh…?

[MChang]

@Nick_Ryan

Bruh…?

It’s below WSP low

[Andrew_K]

Not worth it unless case quantity available.

[Alex_Valdes]

I was just discussing this offer last week at dinner.

[Rauno_E_NZ]

I am more concerned that a whole bottle was completely wasted at some point, being submitted to the indignity of a Wine Spectator tasting panel :)!

[Nick_Ryan]

Technically yes but I bet it’s the same wine being advertised.

It would be fun to order this at a restaurant at full price, with no condition guarantee, just for the opportunity to stand up and shout “Leeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!” at the top of my lungs. Because for $50k there’s no way they’re kicking me out.

Leeroy Jenkins HD (High Quality)

[Robert_M_yers]

That’s absolutely hilarious, I watched it five times cracked up and caught new one liners every time.

[PaulN]

I have bought a number of burgs from Flickinger at what seemed like fair prices (insofar as they were competitive with what others on WS were offering), now I’m on their email list and I get an email each morning telling me what new stock is arriving. This morning they got a much larger amount than usual number of pre-arrival options and the prices are nearly in Cask Cartel territory, 4-5X what others are charging, here are some examples:

2007 Jadot Mazis Chambertin - $1045/bottle. Other US sellers on WS are at $200-250/bottle

2011 Dom. Eugenie Echezeaux - $2031/bottle. Other US sellers on WS at $390-450/bottle

2011 Faiveley Clos de Vougeot - $1129/bottle. Other US sellers on WS at $215-265/bottle

And then (wait for it….)

2014 Leroy VR 1’er Brûlées - $28,270/bottle. Other US sellers on WS are at right around $8000

I can’t think that Flickinger doesn’t think people know about Wine-Searcher, but maybe Cask Cartel doesn’t either . Seriously though, as I said, Flickinger usually seems to offers wine at fair/competitive prices. Who are they trying to kid with this batch? is this a deliberate strategy?

[J.Durham]

you sure those aren’t 6pks? (I didn’t get the email)

[PaulN]

Yes, they are six packs, the stated price on the email is 6X amount of the prices i listed. I just divided it to get per bottle price.

[Alex_Valdes]

A good reminder that supply is an upward sloping curve and in the top right corner, supply is fairly abundant

[PaulN]

Here is about one third of the wines in this offer (didn’t want to copy/paste an enormous list):

|2007 David Duband Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |3 |$14,162.99 |
|2007 Louis Jadot Clos de la Roche Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |10 |$6,576.99 |
|2007 Louis Jadot Griottes Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |8 |$6,421.99 |
|2007 Louis Jadot Mazis Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$6,275.99 |
|2008 Dom. Michel Magnien Clos De La Roche Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |8 |$7,690.99 |
|2011 Olivier Bernstein Clos de la Roche Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$10,547.99 |
|2011 Olivier Bernstein Mazis Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |4 |$13,631.99 |
|2011 Dom. Jean-Jacques Confuron Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$6,706.99 |
|2011 Joseph Drouhin Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |2 |$11,116.99 |
|2011 Dom. Eugenie Echezeaux Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$12,186.99 |
|2011 Dom. Faiveley Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$6,779.99 |
|2011 Dom. Jean Grivot Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$5,273.99 |
|2011 Dom. Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Boudots (12x750 ml) |5 |$11,036.99 |
|2011 Dom. Comte de Vogue Bonnes Mares Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$17,314.99 |
|2012 Dom. Faiveley Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru La Combe d’Orveau (6x750 ml) |4 |$5,923.99 |
|2012 Dom. Robert Groffier Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Sentiers (12x750 ml) |3 |$15,520.99 |
|2012 Louis Jadot Corton Greves Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |9 |$3,231.99 |
|2012 Dom. Armand Rousseau Mazis Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$27,718.99 |
|2012 Dom. de la Vougeraie Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$4,812.99 |
|2013 Dom. Amiot-Servelle Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Derriere la Grange (6x750 ml) |1 |$4,623.99 |
|2013 Dom. Amiot-Servelle Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Charmes (6x750 ml) |2 |$3,972.99 |
|2013 Dom. Arlaud Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |3 |$6,275.99 |
|2013 Olivier Bernstein Bonnes Mares Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |3 |$14,696.99 |
|2013 Dom. Chandon de Briailles Corton Marechaudes Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |2 |$7,143.99 |
|2013 Joseph Drouhin Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |8 |$12,661.99 |
|2013 Joseph Drouhin Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |1 |$13,662.99 |
|2013 Dom. Drouhin-Laroze Bonnes Mares Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |1 |$9,429.99 |
|2013 Jean-Marie Fourrier Echezeaux Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$11,980.99 |
|2013 Dom. Geantet Pansiot Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |6 |$11,968.99 |
|2013 Dom. Robert Groffier Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Hauts Doix (12x750 ml) |2 |$13,328.99 |
|2013 Dom. Leroy Vosne Romanee Les Genaivrieres (12x750 ml) |3 |$177,750.98 |
|2013 Dom. Michel Magnien Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |11 |$7,129.99 |
|2013 Dom. Michel Magnien Clos De La Roche Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |13 |$7,129.99 |
|2013 Dom. de la Vougeraie Charmes Chambertin Les Mazoyeres Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$5,643.99 |
|2014 Dom. Amiot-Servelle Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$6,592.99 |
|2014 Dom. Arlaud Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |4 |$11,815.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bertagna Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |7 |$5,619.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bertagna Clos St. Denis Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |9 |$5,528.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bertagna Corton Les Grandes Lolieres Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |13 |$4,837.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bertagna Le Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$7,462.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bertagna Vosne Romanee 1er Cru Les Beaux Monts (6x750 ml) |8 |$3,096.99 |
|2014 Dom. Burguet Chambertin Clos de Beze Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |7 |$9,085.99 |
|2014 Dom. Chandon de Briailles Corton Clos du Roi Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |3 |$10,948.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bruno Clair Chambertin Clos de Beze Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$11,062.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bruno Clair Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru Clos Fontenys (12x750 ml) |3 |$8,599.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bruno Clair Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru Clos St. Jacques (12x750 ml) |1 |$20,540.99 |
|2014 Dom. Bruno Clair Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru Les Cazetiers (12x750 ml) |2 |$11,116.99 |
|2014 Joseph Drouhin Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Amoureuses (6x750 ml) |1 |$17,461.99 |
|2014 Joseph Drouhin Clos St. Denis Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |7 |$7,129.99 |
|2014 Joseph Drouhin Grands Echezeaux Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |3 |$10,644.99 |
|2014 David Duband Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Gruenchers (12x750 ml) |2 |$7,404.99 |
|2014 David Duband Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Sentiers (12x750 ml) |3 |$7,314.99 |
|2014 David Duband Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |4 |$14,249.99 |
|2014 David Duband Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$7,088.99 |
|2014 David Duband Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |8 |$7,348.99 |
|2014 David Duband Latricieres Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |6 |$8,202.99 |
|2014 David Duband Le Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |3 |$10,853.99 |
|2014 David Duband Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Clos Sorbe (12x750 ml) |2 |$5,156.99 |
|2014 Dom. Eugenie Echezeaux Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$13,028.99 |
|2014 Dom. Geantet Pansiot Chambolle Musigny Vieilles Vignes (12x750 ml) |4 |$5,502.99 |
|2014 Dom. Geantet Pansiot Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |4 |$11,968.99 |
|2014 Dom. Jean Grivot Chambolle Musigny Combe d’Orveaux (12x750 ml) |3 |$8,941.99 |
|2014 Dom. Anne-Francoise Gros Richebourg Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |2 |$25,094.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Chambertin Clos de Beze Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$13,028.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Corton Bressandes Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$5,487.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Latricieres Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |1 |$13,361.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Clos des Ormes (6x750 ml) |1 |$4,318.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Les Genavrieres (6x750 ml) |2 |$3,972.99 |
|2014 Lucien Le Moine Pommard 1er cru Les Epenots (6x750 ml) |1 |$4,623.99 |
|2014 Dom. Leroy Vosne Romanee 1er Cru Aux Brulees (6x750 ml) |1 |$169,621.98 |
|2014 Dom. Leroy Vosne Romanee Les Genaivrieres (6x750 ml) |2 |$117,140.99 |
|2014 Thibault Liger-Belair Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru Les Gruenchers (6x750 ml) |4 |$5,964.99 |
|2014 Dom. Hubert Lignier Chambolle Musigny Les Bussieres (6x750 ml) |3 |$3,363.99 |
|2014 Dom. Hubert Lignier Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Chenevery (6x750 ml) |3 |$3,093.99 |
|2014 Dom. Hubert Lignier Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Les Chaffots (12x750 ml) |2 |$8,967.99 |
|2014 Dom. Lignier Michelot Clos de la Roche Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |1 |$14,329.99 |
|2014 Frederic Magnien Bonnes Mares Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |6 |$7,259.99 |
|2014 Serafin Pere et Fils Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |1 |$16,697.99 |
|2014 Dom. Taupenot Merme Mazoyeres Chambertin Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |8 |$6,917.99 |
|2014 Dom. Tollot-Beaut Corton Bressandes Grand Cru (6x750 ml) |3 |$4,573.99 |
|2014 Dom. Gabriel Tortochot Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (12x750 ml) |7 |$10,441.99 |

[ybarselah]

@moderators please merge: I know it’s not “the market” but damn Burgundy pricing…

[Nick_Gangas]

I’m guessing this was a misprint by Flick.