Henri Jayer

We agree on that one, Herwig. Almost every time I’ve tasted them side by side chez Rouget…I’ve thought that. And, a better value, too, as a result.

I love that Echezaux there.

Peter,
Over $10K, not anytime soon.

I would never thought that there can be anything better than the 62 La Tache but this bottle changed my mind. (100 pts.)

One of the reasons that I posted… [cheers.gif]

Damn you all to hell !!!

Welcome to the darkest of the Dark Side ( heavenly hell - I would say !!)

There are many ways to enjoy Burgundy wines.

There are MM club ( Musigny and Montrachet ) in Singapore and then there are the MM club ( Mercurey and Marsannay ) in Montreal !

Is it alright to worship Vignerors as Your Heros and is it alright just limit oneself to a few plots of famous lands ?

There is a price to pay and the Burgundian knows it for many,many years… [cheers.gif]

Fantastic note Kevin, thanks.

I haven’t had the '85 CP (but have a lovely bottle in the cellar), but have had the '85 Echezeaux a number of times (twice corked!), with one superb bottle one of the few wines I have ever scored 99pts.

We are planning on doing the '85 Echezeaux (my last bottle) this NYE…

That may well have been the case about the '85’s when younger (perhaps they seemed to big, as they are no shrinking violets) but having had a large number of the 1’ers (and still with at least half a dozen left) from '85, '86 and '87, I feel that the '85’s have turned out now to be the best wines (IMHO), although the '86’s and 'in particular '87’s rank right up there for the vintage…they both massively over perform for what they are…

Well,

We opened my last bottle of '85 Echezeaux on new years Eve, and it was just incredible…

Perhaps not quite as fresh as the last one (a few years ago), and it took a while to open up and settle down (it had traveled, as we are away this NYE, and would have been better if it hadn’t moved, but anyway). Lovely developed complex secondary characteristics of mature Burgundy, really layered and interesting, with a beautiful sweetness to the finish.

I’ve kept the empty bottle, this is one I will carry home to keep, and remember…

Thank you all for a great thread. Last night I opened a 2001 Rouget Vosne-Romanée. Cork showed some seepage, capsule wouldn’t spin, some mold had grown and dried, so I was worried. Cork was very soft wet all the way up but it came right out, easier than most and very soft. Within 30 minutes this wine started showing great depth, spice, a dark fruit profile, and continued to evolve over the next 3 hours, seeming to change at every taste. I was very impressed and this was one of the best village level bottles I have drank. - was this a Jayer wine?

I’ve been lucky enough to have Jayer’s 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991 Cros Parantoux.
The 1991 at a restaurant in Burgundy.

As others have said, the wines are fruit driven.
Pure voluptuous fruit - silky and rich. No sense of alcohol. No hard edges.
I had the 1988 as late as 2004 and it still showed great fruit.

For those looking for more “dirt” in their wines … for more “sauvage” I can understand why they might
not be especially impressed but if you want “sex in a bottle” I think Jayer wines hit the mark.

Also, part of the backdrop of discussions like these includes a winemaker who has become a legend and, more
important, whose wines are rare and extremely expensive.

If there were lots of Jayer out there at a reasonable price I’d bet that most of us would have a bunch in
our cellars and be very happy about it.

Pat

I read an article about his “cold soaking” a few years back and it seemed to say that he did not purposely do it. It was more of an ambient soak, and since the grapes came in cold, it usually took anywhere from 3-7 days to get started in any serious way. Can anyone confirm?

In his 1989/1990 Wine Buyer’s Guide he reprints his reviews of Jayer’s 1985 wines.

FWIW, he scores as follows: Echezeaux-93 / Meurgers-93 / Richebourg-96 / Parantoux-91 / Brulees-91.
Parker quotes Jayer as saying “I make the kind of wine I Like”.

In the same book Parker also reprints his reviews of Rouget’s 1985 wines.
FWIW, he scores as follows: Echezeaux-89 / Nuit. St. George-85.

Pat

This seems to me an important contribution. I have long thought that pronouncement of Jayer’s to be the most misleading and damaging thing ever said about Burgundy. The damage lingers on even now. As people have moved away from the Jayer ideal in many ways tannins seem in general to get less and less, to the great detriment of balance and interest in many of the wines of a highly acclaimed younger generation.

M. Jayer’s personal collection got auctioned in HK today at Christies. Two mags of the 85 Richebourg for twooooooo hunnnndddreedd tooooonty thoussssaaaand US $. Crazzzyyyy.

China apparently produced over 50 new billionaires in 2011. Look at it this way, $110K Jayer Richebourg could possibly produce as much pleasure of owning as a $10 million painting from one of the modern Chinese painters or a $100 million Picasso. It tis all relative. What may be even more crazy is that the winners may be from Europe.



by Kevin Shin » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:07 am

M. Jayer’s personal collection got auctioned in HK today at Christies. Two mags of the 85 Richebourg for twooooooo hunnnndddreedd tooooonty thoussssaaaand US $. Crazzzyyyy.

China apparently produced over 50 new billionaires in 2011. Look at it this way, $110K Jayer Richebourg could possibly produce as much pleasure of owning as a $10 million painting from one of the modern Chinese painters or a $100 million Picasso. It tis all relative. What may be even more crazy is that the winners may be from Europe.

Kevin…Would you buy the C-P 85 at $10K ( at Altaya in HK ) - the wine is still listed there ? [cheers.gif]

Or I could have been the winning bidder at the Spectrum auction. Too rich for my blood.

I just got my allocation of the 09 DRCs and I am happy. flirtysmile

Kevin…did you get the Corton ? I saw a photo…it said 8480 bottles.

Are the DRC 1er cru 09 …all for Rests only ?

In Quebec, Canada…we are one year behind in scheduling of the release of DRC.

No 1er cru, got a mag of RSV and the corton is the least expensive.

I know you guys are one year late.

Wow, some crazy high prices in the Chrisies sale, even though the provenance is the highest possible, still…

I have had the trio of '85, '86 and '87 Meurgers for example…good wines, but not outstanding ( the '85 was a bit disappointing given the vintage, the '87 the surprise wine). I think I padi between $300 - $500 for them about 5 years ago…they were all in superb condition, having been cellared since release (I know this was the case for these bottles, and some others I bought).


Still, $5,000+ and $7,000+ for the '85 and '86 is just crazy.

(Actually just quickly checked, and I still have an '86 Beaumonts and Murgers left…wooohooo!

Looking at it now, I’d rather the $15k the ones just sold for…crazy stuff…


At least I have the empty bottle…