For the record, nor did I, there was just an austerity in the fruit that gave that reminder.
I particularly liked the Combottes.
Have not had the Champs Gain in 2014 and did not taste that one on Saturday. Do own one 2014 but probably will not open it for a bit as I thought the Caillerets I had was too young. I will try to remember to post when I taste it.
What about 2017?
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Thanks guys.
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Agreed.
Regarding Chablis, though, Moreau-Naudet killed it.
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No. Weāre saying it was reminiscent of Cru Beaujolais in how the fruit presents. There are a hundred ways itās different (oak, tannin, acid, etc etc) that make it clearly better.
If youāre asking if I think 2020 is better than 2017 for whites, I do, yes.
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I went through and enjoyed a little stash of the Moreau Naudet ā16s - did very well in a mixed vintage. Might have to look for some ā20s.
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Iām definitely targeting 2020 whites more than reds. But Iām not a chablis guy. Could you elaborate as to what you like better about 2020 over 2017? Also where is 2019 in your ranking of the last 8-10 vintages?
I know this was addressed to Greg, but 2020 is just āextraā to me compared to 17. Thereās more fruit, more dry extract, more acid. More everything. Iām not sure how they pulled it off, quite honestly, but this is my perception across the board.
Regarding Chablis; Iām with you. Chablis is not my cup of tea most of the time. That said, Moreau-Naudetās wines were exceptional. If you told me they were from Puligny or Chassagne, I would believe you.
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I think 2020 has a general palate depth, concentration and acidity level in whites that Iāve not seen since 2014. 2017 to me doesnāt have that power or depth, especially in midpalate.
I like 2019, itās a good white vintage, reminds me of a combination of 2017 and 2015 (better than 2015 though). Not sure I have a proper ranking, but 2016 and 2018 are vintages I tend to avoid.
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I think 2017s whites are special. They have a great presence with a promising future.
I would call the 2020 whites a surprise. They turned out way better than I would have thought, but view it as a more short term vintage for drinking.
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Iāve thought the 20s were magic since I tasted them in barrel (some next to the bottled 2019s).
Vive la difference!
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Interesting. I had been hearing all of those things from producers and retailers about the 2020 vintage but I took them with a large grain of salt as I thought they might be justification for the price increase over 2019. Guess I have to start buying.
I too often lean towards the Chablis that are Puligny like. I have some of the 2017 M-N Vaillons. Maybe time to check in on one? I havenāt had the producer before. Or was that quote specifically about their 2020ās?
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Thanks for the follow up. I agree with every statement that you made. Although Iāve been pleasantly surprised by a few 2018 whites (still not buying them much though).
Any producers and/or plots that youāre targeting specific to the 2020 vintage?
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Over time, I have been becoming a bigger and bigger fan of 2017s, esp. for reds. Seems like the last vintage with real elegance (I have not tasted any 2021s yet). Over time, I have become a fan of real elegance in wine rather than more of everything.
You were fortunate. All I had to go on was āit was a warm vintageā.
Iāve had your impression of 2017 since tasting them from the earliest days. I frankly donāt understand why people are overlooking the vintage. It may not be a filled out as 2019, but the wines are super tasty and show excellent vineyard character too.
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Look everyone has their own preferences as to what they are looking for in a bottle of wine. I donāt see any right or wrong about the posts here. I think Greg is correct that the 2020s have more of everything than does the 2017, and I think I am right that 2017 is a vintage producing more elegant wines. I love threads like this where people discuss pretty accurately the characteristics of different vintages and then others who have not tasted the wines can make their own choices. Gives a whole lot more information than throwing out points.
The biggest differences between the vintages is the 2017s were cheaper, but I probably will end up having whites from both vintages.
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I would not say that 2017 whites are āmore elegantā than 2020. I can understand that comment regarding the reds.