Got any obscure stuff?

I see how it is, David. I knew I should have brought that Korean Merlot home.

I apparently own the only CT bottle of the 2004 Stadlmann Zierfandler Mandel-Hoh, as well as the only bottle of 2004 Stadlmann Rotgipfler Tagelsteiner. [cheers.gif]

Not referring to it at all, and don’t know why you thought I was. I’m talking about much rarer, much more famous, much older wines that people today pay tens of thousands of dollars for, thinking they’re getting the genuine article.

Claude you posted right after him and it seemed related to me. Guess not.


I have the ONLY bottles of Knapp Cabernet Sauvignon Estate in any vintage in CT. And mine are 1989s! And BTW they’re not bad!

Some of my more obscure:
1979 Taltari Cabernet Sauvignon
1999 Malat Pinot Noir from Austria
1997 Franco Milos Stagnum from Croatia
1998 Vrhunsko Dingac also from Croatia
1996 Cuvee M from Trimbach, Riesling from the Mandelberg vinyard
1944 Domaines Et Terroirs Du Sud Banyuls
Multiple Picolits from Friuli
Some really old Sherry
Late harvest Scheurebe from Joseph Phelps
1987 Anderson Valley Cabernet Sauvignon from New Mexico
1958 Tokaji Aszu 4 Puttonyos Muskotalyos (a Muscat Tokaji Aszu)
and my most obscure, 1998 Bencesbor Telkihegyi Kiralyleanyka. I’ve no idea what it is dispite looking for the past 10 years. I think it may be a dessert wine, in a 500 ml bottle in a presentation wooden case. It was a gift from some Hungarian military members when I did some work there.

I have the only 2006 Rousset Croze-Hermitage Blanc? One of only three 2006 Chateau de la Gardine Cuvee Generations CDP Blanc? And no one else has a bottle of 1987 Pat Paulsen Refrigerator White???

If it weren’t for the capitals, I’d say you were just randomly mashing your fingers on the keyboard… [cheers.gif]

David, should you get to the US, visit Tucson. I have many Cali cabs from the 60’s and 70’s that I would love to share!

a bottle of 1999 Claude Dugat Chapelle Chambertin–not listed by anyone in CellarTracker, but I own a bottle.

alan

1976 Leo Schwab Bernkastel Kueser Kardinalsberg Auslese

Maker not listed anywhere in the world on WS, 2 notes on CT. Last one was quite delicious.

Wow. It’s a heck of a list. I must have the most obsure cellar going. It’s only got 490 bottles all up.
This list is the single-digit holdings only.
The * bottles below have me as the sole holder.
What would be even more frightening is how many wines I have the only CT TN for…

2003 Domaine A Pinot Noir 1/8
2000 Domaine A Pinot Noir 1/6
1998 Domaine A Pinot Noir 2/3
*2009 Amelia Park Cabernet-Merlot 1/1
*2006 Araldica Vini Piemontesi Moscato d’Asti Alasia 1/1
*2008 Bendbrook Shiraz Goat Track 1/1
*1995 Blue Pyrenees Estate Reserve Red 1/1
2006 Brokenwood Shiraz Mistress Block 2/8
2009 Brokenwood Shiraz Verona Vineyard 1/4
2006 C J Pask Merlot Declaration 1/ 4
2008 d’Arenberg The Ironstone Pressings 1/1 (only because it’s still unreleased…)
*2003 Dalwhinnie Cabernet Sauvignon Moonambel Pyrenees 1/1
*2002 Dalwhinnie Pinot Noir 1/1
2000 Dopff au Moulin Riesling Schoenenbourg 1/2
*2008 Feudi di San Marzano Aleatico di Puglia Liatico 1/1
*2001 Weingut Friedrich Fuchs Klüsserather Bruderschaft Riesling Auslese trocken 1/1
*1999 Glenguin Shiraz Pokolbin Vineyard Pokolbin 3/3
1964 Hardys Vintage Port 1/2
2001 Heathcote Winery Shiraz Curagee 1/7
*2001 Weingut Heymann-Löwenstein Riesling Von Blauem Schiefer 1/1
2001 Weingut Heymann-Löwenstein Stolzenberg Riesling Erste Lage 1/3
*2006 Hillcrest Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon Estate 2/2
*1988 Howard Park Cabernet-Merlot 1/1
1997 Hugel et Fils Gewurztraminer Hommage a Jean Hugel 2/9
*2010 Johanneshof Riesling (NZ) 1/1
2007 Josef Chromy Pinot Noir 1/3
2006 Josef Chromy Riesling 1/5
*2008 Josef Chromy Riesling Botrytis 2/2
2007 Josef Chromy Riesling Botrytis 2/4
*2008 Josef Chromy Riesling SGR (Sixty Grams Residual) 1/1
*2008 Lake Breeze Wines Cabernet Sauvignon 1/1
*2008 Laurance of Margaret River Chardonnay 1/1
*1992 Leo Buring Riesling Leonay 2/2
2005 Weingut Max Ferd. Richter Brauneberger Juffer-Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese 1/7
*2002 Weingut Max Ferd. Richter Brauneberger Juffer-Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese1/1
2006 McWilliam’s Mount Pleasant Wines Shiraz Old Paddock & Old Hill 1/ 2
2008 McWilliam’s Mount Pleasant Wines Shiraz Phil Ryan Signature 1/2
2006 J. Moreau & Fils Chablis 1er Cru Fourchaume 1/6
1996 Mount Mary Pinot Noir 1/2
*1988 A. Ogier & Fils Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Reine Jeanne 1/1
2009 Penny’s Hill Shiraz Cracking Black 1/ 2
1994 Petaluma Cabernet-Merlot Coonawarra 1/9
*2007 Pooley Cabernet-Merlot Family Reserve 1/1
2008 Pooley Pinot Noir Butchers Hill 1/3
*2009 Pooley Pinot Noir Coal River 2/2
*2009 Pooley Riesling 2/2
*2005 Pooley Riesling 1/1
*2008 Pooley Riesling Late Harvest 2/2
2004 Reichsgraf von Kesselstatt Josephshöfer Riesling Auslese Lange Goldkapsel #6 1/3
1998 Rothbury Estate Shiraz Brokenback 1/6
*2009 Sandalford Chardonnay Prendiville Reserve Margaret River 1/1
2004 Schloss Vollrads Riesling Edition 1/ 2
*2007 Seppeltsfield Shiraz Silverband 1/1
2003 Stefano Lubiana Merlot 1/ 4
*2003 Stoney Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon 1/1
2004 Summerfield Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve 2/2
*2006 Summerfield Shiraz 1/1
2004 Tahbilk Cabernet Sauvignon 2/6
2003 Tahbilk Cabernet Sauvignon 1/5
1997 Tahbilk Cabernet Sauvignon Old Block 1/7
2001 Tahbilk Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve 1/ 4
1998 Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Vines 1/7
*2009 Tahbilk Roussanne 1/1
2003 Tahbilk Shiraz 1/ 4
2001 Tahbilk Shiraz Reserve 2/4
1999 Tahbilk Shiraz Reserve 1/8
1997 Taltarni Cabernet Sauvignon 1/ 4
2004 Taltarni Reserve 1/2
2006 Taylors Cabernet Sauvignon St Andrews 1/1 (not yet released)
2008 Taylors Chardonnay St Andrews 1/3
*2009 Taylors Riesling Jaraman 1/1
*1996 Taylors Riesling St Andrews 1/1
*2009 Thistle Hill Cabernet Sauvignon 1/1
2009 Tyrrell’s Cabernet Sauvignon Vat 70 2/2
*2009 Tyrrell’s Chardonnay HVD 1/1
2005 Vidal Estate Syrah Reserve 1/7
*1990 Virgin Hills Reserve 1/1
2000 Wantirna Estate Cabernet-Merlot Amelia 2/3
*1999 Wantirna Estate Cabernet-Merlot Amelia 1/1
1996 Wendouree Cabernet Sauvignon Clare Valley 1/9
*2005 J. L. Wolf Wachenheimer Riesling 1/1
1997 Yarra Yering Shiraz Dry Red #2 1/5
1996 Yarra Yering Shiraz Underhill 1/7
2002 Yeringberg red 2/5
2006 Paul Zinck Gewurztraminer Eichberg 2/4

Most popular?
2000 Clos du Marquis 2/4413

cheers,
GG

4/4 2007 Domaine Robert-Denogent Pouilly-Fuissé Les Cras Cuvée claude denogent vieilles vignes

1/1 2009 Olivier Savary Chablis Sélection Vieilles Vignes (France, Burgundy, Chablis)

1/2 2009 Bio Vio Riviera Ligure di Ponente U Bastio (Italy, Liguria, Riviera Ligure di Ponente)

1/4 2009 Olivier Savary Chablis 1er Cru Fourchaume (France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis 1er Cru)

1/11 2009 La Tunella Colli Orientali del Friuli Ribolla Gialla Rjgialla (Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Colli Orientali del Friuli)

2/3 2009 Vallevò Trebbiano d’Abruzzo

1/16 2008 André-Michel Brégeon Muscadet de Sèvre-et-Maine Sur Lie

Cellar started in 1980-now 974 different wines, but including multiple vintages of many. Wines below I just never got around to drinking. My wine buddies refer to this part of my cellar as the “graveyard”. 1978 Canon-la-Gaffeliere 1/4; 1970 Caves Velhas Romeira Garrefiera (Mags.) 2/2; 1980 Franciscan Napa Cab. 1/2; 1981 Phelps Napa Zin 2/4 (last tried in 06 and still alive); 1982 Vallana Spanna 1/5; 1983 Chapoutier CDP La Bernadine 1/4; 1983 Prieur-Brunet Pommard 1er Cru Les Platieres 1/1; 1983 C. Roumier Morey St. Denis 1er Cru La Bussiere 1/3; 1984 Buena Vista Carneros Cab. 1/5;1986 Ravenswood Sonoma Zin 1/1; 1990 Benzinger Family Winery Sonoma Mountain Cab. 1/1; 1993 Phelps Syrah Vin Du Mistral 1/2; 1993 Agostino Brugo Gattinara 1/1; 1995 Z-H Riesling Herrenweg VT 1/3; 1996 La Spinona (berutti) Barbaresco Bricco Faset 1/2;1996 Foreau Vouvray Moellux 2/6; 1997 Hunold Gewurtz. VT 1/1; 1997 Guardiola Emporada Floresta Tempranillo 1/1; 1998 Salice Salentino Riserva 1/1; 1998 Restaurant Cuvee Daniel 1/1; 1998 Michel Cornas des Coteaux 1/2; 1998 Bois D’yver Chablis 1er Cru Blanchot 1/1; 1998 Beyer Gewurtz. 1/1; 1999 Acorn Sangiovese Alegria 1/2; 1999 Boyer-Martenot Mersault en L’ormeau 1/1; 2000 Katogi + Stofilia Averoff Cab (Greece) 1/1; 2002 Duboeuf Saint-Amour Domaine des Samblons 1/1.

This was a fun game! I went through my cellertracker page and found that I have 15 bottles which there are less than 10 listed, but upon looking at them closer I’ve realized it’s not because of how rare these wines are, but because nobody else will admit to owning them…
2008 Viña Cono Sur Chardonnay, 2010 Georges Dubœuf Beaujolais-Villages Nouveau Château de Plantigny, NV Castle Creek Winery Gewürztraminer Late Harvest…
I either have weird tastes, or I don’t know what the hell I’m buying half the time…

Believe it or not, + 1

2005 Domaine des Muses Cornalin - Switzerland
2007 Domaine de la Renardiere - Savagnin Blanc - Jura
NV Fonts Freda - Maury Vin Doux Naturel - Roussillon
2002 Imagery Lagrein, Paso Robles
2003 Wellington Noir de Noir, Old Vine Alicante Bouschet, Sonoma
1988 Lambert Bridge, Merlot, Sonoma County

RT

For what it’s worth, no, I don’t use Cellartracker but was looking there to see if anyone had stock of '78 Taltarni Shiraz. No, but it is listed. I presume someone had it, but then consumed it.

But Claude brings up an interesting point - there are things in there that have never existed. So obviously people input things they don’t have, yet it becomes a record of some kind of validation of authenticity. The notion that if it’s in Cellartracker, perhaps it exists, even when it doesn’t. I imagine it’s impossible for CT to stay on top of what’s legit and what isn’t. But the notion of nonexistent wines being listed there seems unfortunate at best.

I know that Eric works very hard to eliminate these, but it is a huge task. I try to help out in areas that I follow in detail, e.g. Giacosa and other Piedmont producers. The labels are often confusing, and people often aren’t that careful, perhaps because they are entering wines while drinking them?

I’ve been guilty of this too. Recently I went to enter a TN on a 2007 Ojai Sauvignon Blanc Westerly Vineyard. I just happened to notice that I had the only 2 bottles ever put into CT. I thought this was odd. When I looked more carefully, I saw that Ojai switched their SB vineyard from Westerly to McGinley in 2007. When I bought the wine from the winery, I had just used my entry from the 2006, not realizing it was a different vineyard.

I do the same. Wineries skip vintages, regions change; all kind of things go on. If I can substantiate an error claim, I do so and send off a note.
If a wine has no stock, no drinking/consumption history, no photo, it’s just the ‘shell’ of an entry, then it’s far more suspicious, obviously.
cheers,
GG

Alan, I see 8 bottles listed in CT.