German / Mosel wine labels * ** ***, etc

I should know more about this having just been there a couple months ago and did ask some questions about it. But trying to recap for others I find I am missing some detail and I’m sure folks here can fill in the gaps…

I hadn’t really seen or noticed this prior to visiting and doing flights with producers.

There are several wines/producers who use an internal *, **, *** system (I hear there are **** but did not see any, myself.). This seems to be in and around the Mosel region, and applies to various grapes. I get that these are probably handy for a producer to highlight good, better, best on a given bottle… but what differentiates them from the producer side?

Particularly - how does one producer get different * ratings on the same vineyard and vintage? Is it picking in the vineyard at different times, more of a sorting thing for better fruit, or fermenting separately and then deciding… or any and all of tha?

Some pics here for folks who may not be as familiar with how the *s show up… Note the Molitor Pinot Blanc with 2 diff * ratings for the same vintage/vineyard.

Any inputs on how these ratings are used, applied, etc.?


There is no standardized system for use of stars.

On a very simplistic level it can be thought of as more stars=better, but that is not necessarily true. Sometimes with Rieslings it’s a way to differentiate higher ripeness or greater prevalence of botrytis, so a *** of a given wine is much more of a “dessert style” than a * or zero star wine. With Spätburgunder/Pinot Noir the botrytis is not the thing (hopefully!).

FWIW, I see fewer * bottlings where producers use specific parcel names. That doesn’t mean a producer won’t do stars, but they might highlight certain wines with that name rather than making a *, **, or ** bottling to spike it out.

The most important thing is there is no standardized system.

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Just what Mosel needs - another layer of unintelligible, arbitrary, random, capricious, high-handed rating system, as if the useless two ones they already have weren’t enough? :wink:

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It’s not really fair to call the system “arbitrary, random, capricious, high-handed.” It’s nothing if not orderly. But it is unintelligible to those without a degree in German wine labeling law.

In fact, the stars were invented by producers because the labeling system wasn’t complex enough to differentiate special cuvees.

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It’s not new.

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German wine law doesn’t explain the stars.

The fault is in the stars, not within the law. :wink:

Here’s an excellent **** Riesling:

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Nor hugely common these days.

I can’t think of a Grosser Ring VDP member who uses them so maybe they disapprove.

Of course Julian Haart does. I think he’s the only producer I buy from regularly, and he uses them rarely.

I believe they are usually used like other producers would use gold caps and long gold caps.

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Except that some use both. And some use neither.

Maybe you should stick to California. At least these wines are good.

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Do you know producers other than Molitor who use both? I know Molitor does, but their cap system is entirely different than the traditional use of gold caps.

Christoffel?

Ha! Never seen that Ulli Stein wine. Knowing Ulli he did four stars just to f with people. Love that man!

Except that Christoffel just used(uses) gold capsules for all wine, so not quite the same thing.

Molitor really is the poster child for overcomplicating the c(r)ap out of things.

Forgive me for quoting myself, but I wrote about Stein’s use of stars on my website many years ago.

Their dry quality wines (with no Prädikat) are given a rating of one to four stars. “The history is a little complicated,” Piet says. The brothers were frustrated at the inflated Prädikatsweine, such as cheap Spätlese or Auslese sold at discounters, so they decided to bottle their wines without Prädikats, but some of their clients objected. As a compromise, they started labeling all their dry Qualitätsweine, those mostly under the Haus Waldfrieden logo (Alfer Hölle, Neefer Frauenberg), without Prädikats and with stars instead.

I don’t know if this is true today, though. Ulli might have changed it.

Thanks Lars.

I think it is funny Ulli went to four stars. Do you know of any other producers who go up to four stars, I can’t think of one.

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Gunderloch used to produce Auslese with 1 to 3 stars. The 3 star bottling was dry :roll_eyes:

You’re welcome, Robert.

J.J. Christoffel’s Auslesen from Ürziger Würzgarten went up to four stars.

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Dautel right off the bat.