Frasier and wine

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I love that show. Been enjoying rerun episodes on Amazon Prime. Characters are so well developed and the whole show feels more like great theater than TV sitcom.

I tried the new Frasier series… awful. It’s the Big Bang theory meets something vaguely resembling Frasier. The charm and theater-like nature of the old series is totally lost. Characters in the old series each showed some personal flaw, but they also had charm, and other sides to them that made them real. In the new series, each character’s flaw is so over the top and overemphasized that they don’t feel like real people anymore and every character simply becomes annoying. Frasier without Niles is a huge issue too. You quickly realize how essential that relationship is to the entire plot line.

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It’s impossible to not have Flandarisation of at least some characters on any long running tv show. Even more so when you do a reboot and much of the writers room is changed.

Borat

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Classic. One of my all time shows. The characters are so well done. Marty and Niles carried the show in my opinion!!

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Daphne and Roz both very good as well though.

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Oh for sure, all the characters played so well off each other.

The ancillary cast is what it kept it wonderful, but it was Niles far more than Frasier that made it must see every week.

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I agree with you how bad it is. I don’t agree that it misses out on the theater like charm, it seems that this series they are all declaiming, waiting for their lines. The worst is David. A bad actor and a bad script.

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Borat tasting wine… Gotta see it!

Borat tasting wine.

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So so true. David could have been eliminated as a character and wouldn’t make any difference to the show, which is really disappointing. I also felt like Freddy kept falling out of character regularly and it really broke down all willing suspension of disbelief. Not great for any TV series.

Thankfully the old seasons bring such pure joy. Rewatched the episode where Frasier starys dating a supermodel zoologist he met on his flight to Mexico…Daphne, Niles, and Martin don’t believe him assuming he made her all up, and only after he takes a creepy photo of her sleeping and she storms out of the apartment they realize she’s real. Frasier’s episode ending line “what do you think of me now?” is just too good.

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There is a long sequence of Niles in Frasier’s apartment getting ready for a date. Pure comic gold.

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Mark, thanks for the clip. Absolutely one of the funniest scenes. Niles was the best. Big fan of the show from the beginning in 1993. Of course, the wine references and themes throughout were appreciated. I do love Sherry, although I was a little disappointed to see the blue bottle of Harvey’s Bristol Cream in one show. Not that there is anything wrong with that… :open_mouth:

on the new show in the last episode they had Frazier bringing a case of Ace of Spades. Clearly fake news.

Are either of them Berserkers?

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The ancillary cast is what it kept it wonderful, but it was Niles far more than Frasier that made it must see every week.

Agreed. Do you remember that one clip where Niles was trying to iron a shirt and something distracted him and he ended up doing an entire scene in which he was doing battle with his obsessive-compulsive behavior and the inanimate objects. He was simply brilliant.