Eating and Drinking in Paris

I don’t want to derail this thread, but while I understand the Anthony Bourdain approach, there’s absolutely a happy medium. There’s a difference between your first trip to Paris and your tenth trip to Paris. There was no way that I was “doing as little as possible” on my first trip. It’s a different story that gets progressively more casual/slow/relaxed on each subsequent trip.

As far as pre-planning…it goes without saying that if you want to get into many of the restaurants we discuss on this thread, there needs to be a considerable amount of prep work. That said, you would eat and drink really well with no reservations and just taking your chances at known and lesser known spots.

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Mike - agreed! But Mark has planning for months :slight_smile: You should see how I plan for a trip to a new culinary destination.

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last time i was in paris was in the early 90’s or so and i had limited resources
all these years later i’ve been collecting and drinking wines and eating quite well, although not at the level of some
now i find my self with the resources to eat pretty much any where i want, with years of reading and learning what and where i want to eat
BUT
i’m taking my son who’s 15 and eats mac and cheese and burgers and is just not open to trying most things.
so that’s my reason for the painstaking planning. if i can find places that will accommodate both of us things will be great. if i have to sneak a quick snack (i’ll be standing outside enfants du marche at 11;45 sunday morning) i will and then rush him off for a croque monsieur!
cheers

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Septime La Cave is a nice stop for a dinner pre-party, but would note that it’s almost always packed to the gills, frequently with foreigners. They usually have some fantastic charcuterie selections, but you’re going to have to role the dice with the natty wine selection :wink:

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There’s a burger place in the stall around/behind Les Enfants du Marche. Quite decent, imo, such that you may not have to seek out a croque monsieur for your son while you go nuts at LEdM.

The Butcher of Paris. They do more than burgers. Tartare is excellent.

Mr T bistro, from the former Passage 53 team, is across the street on Rue Saintonge. Their burger is excellent. As is the rest of the menu.

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funny you say that. is there only “natural” wine in paris? pet-nat, orange etc etc no thanks
some real champagne, burg, rhone, and beaujolais i’ll be very happy
i guess i fail to appreicate the reason every place i look at seems to stress natural and funky

Natural wine tastes better in Paris :joy:

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My goal is not “doing as little as possible”, it’s to enjoy and experience things without feeling rushed or tied to a schedule. Sure, it’s possible to do the “6 cities in a week” or “3 museums in a day” kind of travel, but that has never been my style. I’d much rather spend a week in one place, and a good museum (even a specific exhibition) deserves to not be rushed if you can help it.

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This will be my 5th visit to Paris. Previous visits: one as a poor student, one very early in my career when finances were a bit tighter, and the last two visits were with kids and extended family. So, this will be the first real opportunity my wife and I will have to focus on the restaurants we are really interested in and to take the days completely at our own pace.

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Plenty of great wine, all over the place. Many of the trendier places serve a lot of natty tho. It’s Paris; you can find anything.

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Circling back here - I went to the Genin website and didn’t see any “reservations” but seems more like a chocolate store. Something where we can just walk in and get a table to try the pastries and all? This is something my wife would love.

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Pierrre Herme has cafes around town. The closest to me is in the Beaupassage at the corner of Blvd Raspail and Rue de Grenelle in the 7th.

Maison Mulot has opened a cafe in Place des Voges.

On the magasins pages it says:

pâtisseries sur commande

I suggest you call or ask the hotel concierge

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Just returned from a week in the Paris burbs, Hauts-de-Seine, La Defense, Puteaux, and Suresnes. I have family there. Pretty much zero tourists and not much reason for Berserkers touring Paris to head out that way. English is spoken, often reluctantly, as it is in most of Paris. Restaurants and shops really do appreciate it when you make the extra effort to try to speak some French (even when you butcher it).

La Defense has the Grand Arch that you can see just fine from the Arc de Triomphe. The area is a mega-mall and concrete jungle of slightly interesting high-rise architecture with some scattered sculptures. No food scene beyond fast food. I wouldn’t go near it except it’s a transportation hub to center city and my brother-in-law works there.

Puteaux and Suresnes have a decent number of food options, if not the cutting edge or higher level cuisine of the Arrondisements. These towns were filled with riverside factories in the 1920s - 1940s that were all demolished and converted to residential communities. North African, Middle Eastern and Indian laborers put down roots so there’re a healthy number of ethic restaurants.

Resunga is an Indian Restaurant in Puteaux near La Defense. Good quality and leaning more authentic. My experience is that Parisian ethnic food can be “french-ified” (cheese naan, no/low spice, lots of butter, etc.).

I sampled some Lebanese, Algerian and Moroccan take out. Nothing to write home about (especially to a New Yorker or Berserker foodie) but plenty of solid value.

I can’t resist local French markets and Puteaux’s Chantecoq is worthwhile if you happen to be nearby on Thurs or Sunday. Partially open this past Thurs. due the extended holiday but Sunday was bustling.

Locals argue about which of the 10 or so local boulangeries are best. The one with the fresh hot bread seems to attract an immediate line…worth queuing up. I really like the local cheesemonger. My sister calls him the grumpy guy. There’s a real art to Cheesemongering and the “elevation” of cheeses. The proper storage, aging and handling makes a huge difference in quality. A young boring Cantal can be full of flavor and depth a week later. I’ve never had a sub-par cheese from the grumpy guy (Fromagerie Ravecchio, Puteaux) since my first visit several years ago. My wife loves the place.

Most of the finer dining restaurants are resting on their laurels from former Michelin stars (never more than 1) or a previous Bib Gourmand ranking. There are a few that I need to try and didn’t get to, i.e: Bistro La Haut - Suresenes, Les Petits Princes - Suresnes, L’Escargot 1903 - Puteaux, Le Saint Joseph - La Garenne-Colombes. Lots of options for a nowhere suburb.

A non-rated restaurant that I can never resist is Le Sain Sert in Puteaux. It’s a family run operation celebrating it’s 20th birthday. It’s bright, clean, comfortable and they get all the details right. They genuinely care about excellent service and quality…catering to a faithful local clientele and local business types (La Defense). The cuisine is mostly solid creative bistro fare with weekly and seasonal specials. They tailor their by-the-glass list of about 20 wines. You won’t find any Berserker-level wines. These are all carefully picked affordable small family wineries (mostly not exported) from the major regions, thoughtfully curated to pair with their courses. Some dishes are a “wow” and some aren’t. I’ve never left spending more than 65e per person or less than stuffed and completely satisfied.

The relatively affordable location allows young restauranteurs to try their luck. “L’Andouille” is a new Breton restaurant in Puteaux. It’s traditional fare with creative touches. Another very affordable meal with a sold wine list and the best oysters (Breton #2) that I’ve had in a long time…even better than the super fresh offerings at the Breton Huiterie in the Puteaux Sunday marche. It took an amusing 20 minutes to translate the full menu with several eclectic specialty dishes…(i.e.: coco de Paimpol is not a coconut). We dined with a local foodie (Jewish, Uruguayan, Univ Arkansas grad, living in Puteaux for 30 years). She was full of good tips and this place was one.

Sunday dinner is a challenge everywhere in and around Paris. No different in Puteaux. We should’ve gone ethnic but went with Top Chef, Suresnes. A friend said we should at least try it. The food was fine but tried to be much more artistic and creative than it was. Complicated doesn’t mean good. The TV show connection is annoying. It struck me as a very fancy “Denny’s”. The waitstaff wouldn’t make the B-team at the Sain Sert. The wines were even slightly lower quality. It was open on Sunday. Not going back.

We had lunch at an attractive spacious restaurant: L’ile on the Ile St. Germain. Kind of a touristy feel while being off the normal tourist track. The food and service exceeded my low expectations. It’s a good place to take a stroll, see the gardens and art and escape the crush of downtown. Not sure it’s worth the special trip.

I suspect this review will be useless to most everyone visiting Paris. But just in case you get lost near Puteaux. Salut.

RT

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YES!
So good to read travel-restaurant reviews outside of the usual pomp-glitz-bistrogourmet Paris notes here.

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@Richard_T_r_i_m_p_i thanks for posting! We used to enjoy walking around La Defense; easy ride to the end of the 1 line (iirc).

Definitely a thumbs up!

Yes, the famous Pousse. The art at La Defense never really speaks to me. The CNIT and mall were a mob scene Sunday afternoon when we came back from a tour of Pere Lachaise.

On the stairs of the Arch. The Arc de Triomphe is a tiny spec that you can’t see or zoom in that photo at this resolution.

We hit the Rothko exhibit which I don’t get either but the Louis Vuitton building is very cool.

RT