Does Declassified d'Yquem exist?

I split a 12 pack of this with 2 friends, so I felt it was in all our interests to try one. We shared a bottle along with 2 other people, all of us experienced tasters who have had Yquem before. It’s hard for me to judge this because it is so young, but I was actually impressed by it. And if anyone sees a similar offer for future vintages, please post to this board. My note and a friend’s note :

2010 Château d’Yquem Declassified
5/17/2014 - I WROTE: (Edit) 91 Points
I did not know what to expect from this, so I shared one with 4 people whose palate I semi-trust. I think we all liked it quite a bit. For myself, it popped with flavor of burnt caramel, sugar, spice and pear. I really liked it, although the sweetness is high at this young age. 91+.

2010 Garagiste Sauternes
5/15/2014 - ROCKNROLLER favorite WROTE: 91 Points
Bordeaux Offline (Rincon 38, Mpls, MN): Light gold color. PNP from 375ml. Drank 1 glass over 30 minutes. The nose brings froth citrus, orange pith, white flowers and spice. The palate is at once intense and rich yet elegant and somewhat light of foot, round, nicely balanced, good acidity, pineapple, nectarine, citrus, nicely spiced, medium plus finish. This shows good promise at such a young age and should develop nicely over the next 5 years. The backstory suggests the fruit is from d’Yquem. It certainly has intensity and it reminds me a bit of the '95. Stash this away as future treat. 91+(+)pts.

Anyone else? I picked up from Garagiste today and decided to Pobega one. I’m not a Sauternes expert, but it’s pretty tasty. Definitely worth the price.

Michael

there used to be a gorgeous dry wine from Yquem called Château Y—
I remember buying a case of the 1978 vintage in the mid eighties…
anybody taste a recent bottling?

I opened one up a while back and liked it as well. I’m not a Yquem expert either so YMMV.

I have certainly tried to procure it but still haven’t tasted it.

It’s now called “Y” d’Yquem. Last time I tasted it was in Bordeaux during the “en Primeurs” week, vintage 2009. Sublime dry white, but prices have skyrocketed, going from average of $50/bottle early 2000 to $200+/bottle for recent vintages.

Last year, a friend opened the 2002 Lur-Saluces “Y.” This semillon-sauvignon blanc blend was rich and concentrated, though was a little low on acidity for my taste; at $140+ for recent releases, it wouldn’t be a good value for me.

By the way, James, did you work at the Wine House in Los Angeles, about 20 years ago?

guilty as charged.

Current releases are $140 at JJBuckley.

I’ve had a handful of vintages through K&L since they seem fond of throwing it into their high end Bordeaux tastings. They have always been unique wines with interesting sauternes-like aromas and flavors (though completely dry) that develop nicely with age (I think the oldest I’ve had was the 2000). If they used to be $50, it is definitely worth that. I agree that $140 is too much, so I have never bought any.

I was drinking the '78 Ygrec until 1990 when the last bottle was gone, and it developed fascinating aromatix with age—very Sauternes-like in many respects, and then the missing residual sugar somewhat of a shock.

Found a small stack of 2009s at Century Wines in Rochester NY a month ago. At $35 a bottle, considering some of the posts on cellartracker, I am not sure that this was a screaming buy for anything other than for curiosity sake. (I was curious enough to buy 2.) The knowledgeable sales associate would neither confirm, nor deny that this was from Yquem.

Label comes from cellartracker and is identical to the bottles I purchased.

Resurrecting an old thread because Yquem appears to have announced on instagram that they are releasing their generic “Sauternes” non-vintage blend, starting with a 6 bottle box set of 6 different blends. Does anyone have any additional details on pricing and/or availability? I hadn’t heard anything about it elsewhere…

I can not answer Ashish’s question, but I would like to revisit a comment I made in this thread in 2014. Back then I was optimistic about this “declassified Yquem”. I am not that keen on it anymore. I’ve tried the 2009 and 2010 bottlings 11 times in total, all scored 90-92. To me, they do not represent a good QPR based on the quality of the wine. There’s nothing wrong with them, but for a few dollars more you can get a Rieussec, Suduiraut, La Tour Blanche, etc and those drink significantly better than the declassified. Also, I gave 2009 Yquem 99 points, the highest I’ve ever scored a wine, vs 91 for the 2009declassified. Qualitatively, the difference between real Yquem and “declassified Yquem” is huge.

I e-mailed the chateau, and they are indeed selling their declassified Yquem as a generic “Sauternes” bottling, but only at the chateau.

I agree that declassified sauternes is never as good as expected, mostly because so much of the best sauternes involve laborious sorting for the best berries. Negating that will end up with mediocre sauternes, and given the pricing for even the top sauternes there really isn’t much reason to chase those.

One possible rare exception: If you are looking for a lighter, aperitif styled sauternes, some chateau have been releasing versions that are intended to be consumed in clubs, with ice. It’s a different market, and in many ways a different wine, but it makes sense to use declassified grapes for those rather than top selection for something which will be consumed that way.

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A good chunk of those bottles on CT were bought from Garagiste. Below is the email from 2013 where Rimmerman strongly hints this is declassified d’Yquem (I have no such delusions). There are several different labels in the pictures on CT – one of the ones with gold lettering are what this wine was. There is no indication on the label of the producer. I’ve tried one of them and it wasn’t terrible, but surely better examples at the price.

Dear Friends,

This is one of those offers that tends to get me in excessive hot water with the naysayers but, I’ve received so many inquiries regarding the affirmation of its existence that the best way to showcase the answer is to allow you taste it at home…

The inquires began with a round of BI offers a month ago (another appeared this morning for large formats), which is not uncommon as many of you read European retail offers and ask me if I can secure the wines instead (so they do not have to be shipped via DHL or FedEx from Europe - especially in the summer). This offer was particularly difficult to source as the wine is technically not commercially available nor is it even “technically” offered for sale by the Chateau in question. It is not tasted at the en-premier tastings and they do not even acknowledge its availability.

This Sauternes, from a memorable vintage in Bordeaux (2010) and a particularly memorable harvest in Sauternes (before the rains) is not only a curiosity satisfied but it is also darn great wine, even by the scrutiny of unforgiving critical standards. As this property does not produce a second wine (they do bottle a dry white but not a second sweet wine), it makes the collector take particular note as the first wine of the property is among the most admired and collected in the world (the 2010 trades for $300-400/375ml and $600-800/750ml with prices that rarely, if ever, decrease as the years tick away).

With the single most rigorous picking regimen in Bordeaux (each worker is assigned specific plants and tiny plots to watch over – yes, this is serious), the grapes are plucked one at a time from each cluster at the exact moment of their intended perfection. If a grape does not meet that standard, it is put into another basket to be discarded (or vinified dry) or it is placed into yet another basket to be vinified as the first wine but watched as the barrels progress. If the “watched” barrels do not age into their 100pt intent, the barrels are set aside.

The funny part?

Most of the grapes in the “set aside” barrels are only a touch below the others in standard (i.e., when you’re looking at prime steaks, they are all of a certain quality but a few my be just a notch above/below the others). To keep their reputation around the world and at auction the very highest in winedom, the Chateau does not want any of this wine in the hands of other bottlers, properties or even consumers (fear exists that consumers who become used to a high level of “second” quality will think twice about supporting the first wine – although, in my opinion, that would not occur as a market exists for both – See Carruades de Lafite/Forts de Latour).

So, instead of bottling it as a “Forts” or “Carruades” and offering it for $150-250/750ml (as 99% of every other estate would do), they give most of it away to their employees and friends as gifts. There’s no name on the label and nothing to trace it…but those that have tasted it know of its quality.

This year, we were able to acquire a small amount of this ridiculously rare wine that really isn’t meant for trading at all. I’m not sure any has ever come to the US in a retail sense (except for the European retailers sending it directly to consumers) and I’m not sure if any will again. This is not about brand-building – this is about a one-off opportunity to sample something that NO ONE in your tasting group has ever seen or will (most likely) ever see again. We cannot show you photos of the labels but, I believe, BI has them on their site.

LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Garagiste makes no claim as to the origin of this wine, the Chateau in question or to the quality of said bottled contents except for the fact that it may or may not be excellent, live for several decades and may or may not be one of the finest Sauternes deals for the curious/”I have everything” collector we’ve ever come across (i.e., you may have cases of 1969 La Tache in your cellar but you do not have this. Can you imagine the look on your collector friend’s face when you give him/her one of these for their birthday? Even Bepin Desai would nod in approval).

As part of the process and agreement, we only have one parcel – this will not be re-offered or stocked in the retail lair.

Here you go…

FIRST COME FIRST SERVED up to 12 x 375ml and 12 x 750ml/person until we run out:

2010 Sauternes 375ml - $26.70
(this is particularly ridiculous considering the 2010 first wine is $300-400/375ml)

2010 Sauternes 750ml - $48.61
(ok, I guess this is ridiculous as well and it should live for 20+ years in this format – it would be particularly interesting to sample this in a blind line-up against the first wine two decades from now)

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Having followed this thread from the beginning, it appears that I successfully lurked for a solid decade.

The wine is now available: Buy Sauternes de Chateau d'Yquem tasting case wine online | Millesima

This link has the most complete description (not too different from what was posted above 18 months ago), but individual bottles for 5 of 6 are also available – search for yquem (Yquem 2 is the second bottling, etc.). At $108/.750 or $54/.375 it may be worth a flyer. Use code ROBB2021 for 10% off first order through February 2022.

Never heard of the store until three days ago and no idea of their inventory, but I’m guessing comments here will poo-poo the offering and yet it will sell out within a week. Not a xmas miracle, just the way Berserkers seem to operate. newhere

The answer and fact is “Yes”- the juice not up to the standard of d’Yquem is sold out to a major player in the industry and sold to this one Negociant who owns some of the great names, in Bordeaux, Burgundy and Hungry. The label and name completely separate the wine from the d’Yquem and it is not to be mentioned when selling the product.
The wine is quite inferior. AS I was made aware of this after a few years of importing and asked not to bring the information to market - I see no reason to mention the name which I was asked not to share when we sold the product.

William, thanks for your reply but I’m confused as to which question you are answering “yes.” Are you saying that Haut Charmes is/was in fact declassified Yquem or are you saying that there is/was declassified Yquem which was bottled by another major player who shall remain nameless but that Haut Charmes is not the name they used when they bottled it?

FWIW, the rumor that I noted when I bought a couple halves of the 2015 Haut Charmes was that it was declassified Suduiraut, not Yquem. These rumor-mongers should get their stories straight! [snort.gif]

Millesima-USA is the US retail arm of a major Bordeaux-based negociant, as I understand it. Serious player when it comes to Bordeaux.

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