Love the split on answers, so I will give another one - Margaux. Look at how many wines that people have listed above come Margaux or near there - wines like DāIssan, la Lagune, Cantemerle, etc., etc. When I was younger, except for a few producers like Chateau Margaux, Palmer and Rauzan Segla, many of the classified estates were underachievers compared to the best of St. Juilian and Paullac. Even today, when quality has improved, there are many places where prices have not caught up to quality improvements.
And, to complete the loop, while St. Estephe has relatively few classified growth, it has wonderful values like Meyney and Ormes de Pez.
Yes! Had a great experience there in the summer. I left my insulated wine bag there and by the time I called several months later it now seems to be permanently missing
Thatās interesting as Iād likely say that Champagne, which I love, is probably the worst QPR region outside of Burgundy and probably Napa. That is based solely on US pricing and availability. I find very little Champagne I want to drink for less than $40. I can find tons and tons of wine to drink for less than that price elsewhere.
There is great value in BDX, but certainly there are other regions which can match it. The Loire, as mentioned. Italy has many options. Spain has great value.
This is a good place to start. There are more, for example there are numerous Cru Bourgeois, Cabernet Sauvignon wines, and stacks of Right Bank values from Bordeaux Superieur, Cotes de Bordeaux and even generic AOC Bordeaux, this is a good place to start.
This. For my personal preferences Italy generally and Piedmont specifically is the best QPR, because itās what I enjoy the most and the QPR is outrageous.
Is that still the case? the cheap Bordeaux we get here tends to be 14.5-15% alcohol and often grotesque. I have an an increasing desire for Bordeaux but itās only satisfied by the good stuff, which I accept is entirely a mark of my ignorance. In Burgundy I really enjoy a lot of the cheaper stuff.
I can find much more digestible wine from Italy at this level.
St. Estephe would be my next go-to for sure. Lots of value to be had there that have mostly already been mentioned ā Meyney, Capbern, Lilian Ladouys, Phelan Segur, Dame de Montrose, etc. And a great point re: Margaux ā certainly the Left Bank appellation Iām least well-versed in but the ones you mentioned are fabulous. Also need a shoutout to board favorite Ferriere, probably the first thing I think of for a classed-growth Margaux QPR.
I buy wines based on my food preferences as that is when I consume them.
I prefer more southern regions for grilling select meats with appropriate prep. For example, lamb/garlic/rosemary and southern Rhones speaks for itself. Those wines handle other herbs and spices very well.
Try going backwards in your selections, foods first, then max your QPR. That is how localized wines evolved.
One thing that always crosses my mind when I see a post like this ā for someone unaccustomed to Bordeaux (which may not be you), the aging profile is a āthingā in Bordeaux. The age required for a given bottle of claret can be all over the map (and the goalposts are always moving, depending on vintage, chateau, grape, ownership/which consultant is in or out) but most typically I like a lot of my Bordeaux with plenty of age. So that 2020 Domaine de Chevalier I was just toutingā if that takes 20-25 years to fully blossom, Iām just fine with that, but not everyone might feel that way. And so tasting young Bordeaux can be head scratching, as someone raves about a wine based on potential, which you then try and itās locked up tight in tannin and structure.