Given those 3 varieties are related, but wines from Ron’s vines show very little in common with the San Benito Cab Pfeffers of De Rose and David Bruce and a lot in common with Trousseaus from Jura and Portugal. That old rumor does speak to all three varieties existing in the valley (though mostly CP), but not that Ron had access to that and other material from which to plant his own vineyard.
This sounds like the rationalizations of the Anti-High Performance Car Elite. That Nova rocks and you suck!
Thank you for that. Bringing things back to wine again, your post is like a splash of cold water and might help me through a serious personal dilemma. After years of reading threads in which fans of SQN and Saxum mercilessly rhapsodized about their virtues, it became clear to me that they were really trying to tell me I had the palate of a Yak because I do not enjoy those wines. I had feelings of inferiority, and I felt isolated. I began acting out, and I retaliated by posting vindictive, laudatory notes about Poulsard and Savignin. I now understand the error of my ways and apologize to those I have offended.
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Funny the first connection I made reading this was that BS are Brad’s initials. So what are you saying Brad? ![[snort.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/b/bdc3944606213c4dca6c1169cf0a166c8bc4f8c9.gif "snort.gif"){kind=small}
Guilty as charged.
Well I’m sure I’m as opinionated as anyone here and I drink with some folks who are way more opinioniated than I am (yes Trimpi, I’m talking about you) but folks, its wine we are talking about, not war and peace. I understand the debate between Parker and the various terro(i)rists and its interesting only to the point it helps me understand what I like or don’t like. Its not personal and the wine world is a funny place for folks anti-authority instincts to take over. Chris is right on in his posts and the ad- hominem attacks most against Parker and occasionally by him are just not interesting. I’m still a WA subscriber and I generally know where I find it useful and where it is unhelpful to me relative to my palate and preferences. I have yet to find a more useful replacement. I’m not pro-Parker or anti-Parker, I just find his reviews and the reviews of his staff to be interesting and sometimes helpful. WA is a product, not a person and (my ad-hominem attack coming) those of you who view it as a mano a mano personal confrontation ought to consider getting a life!
I just read Parkers post on his own ‘rhapsody’ and I have to tell I just don’t get what his issue is with Red Car (I know I sell it but I’m not biased as it is a newer winery to me) but he compares them to Scholium Project, I just don’t get how he comments on under ripe wines when the wines are %13.5+, it at this point seems like a vendetta. I even called my boss and asked ‘what did Peter do to piss him off so much’, I really want to know…
I also don’t get this idea where all these under ripe, horrible wines are being forced on anyone by Sommeliers. I’m actually in a tasting group with an early 30’s MS and have never had him ‘force’ any wine on me nor recommend a wine that is in this vein that Parker describes.
Lastly, I just don’t get the vitriol that the article spews, I don’t read many ‘bloggers’ and I take almost everyone on the internet with a grain of salt, these people don’t form the wine business as a whole so why does he care? If people want to experiment with Amphora or Orange wines, who cares? Don’t drink them or buy them and if you find a Sommelier is ‘pushing them down your throat’, either don’t go back to that restaurant or pull the manager aside later and express your displeasure.
Are there pompous people in the world? Everywhere, whether they are selling you a car, coffee, shoes, luggage, a sweater, slacks, a watch, ect., ect., it’s just not wine where people are pompous.
I’m not sure anyone disagrees with this ^^. He’s become a crazy person yelling on a street corner.
This forum exists because Parker led and directed a relentless campaign against his own subscribers on his own forum. Anything that was viewed as dissent from the absolutist authoritarianism of his views on wine was attacked. Threads where everyone took his side on a controversial issue were routinely deleted because they gave light to dissent. He questioned loyalty and motives. Post a tasting note on a wine that failed to age well that he happened to rate highly and predict excellent aging and it was war. Other people (subscribers who bought on his recommendation) popping bottles and coming to the same conclusion, was a conspiracy of people out to defame him.
Many valued contributors to what was a great community got banned over the years until things really began to snowball. Most of us were just trying to hold things together, but even reason was suspect. He still wasn’t happy after shutting his site to non-subscribers, because many who were left expressed their dissatisfaction with what the board became. How dare they?!!!
Anyway, most of us are well aware that the personal attacks started with him. If you don’t know the history, then you likely missed some of his coded attacks in this screed. Some have not been addressed in this thread. This thread is about this screed, in which he touches on many issues with which he has personally attacked many members of this forum. Why wouldn’t we talk about it? Why wouldn’t we even feel a little glee in laughing at how he pathetically holds onto irrational views, counter to contemporary scientific understanding of wine and human perception?
So what if his palate hasn’t changed (though wines have), if he still has the same strengths and weaknesses in judging wine as he did 35 years ago, or if notes are still useful to some? The topic here is to look at what an ass he continues to make of himself…for no rational reason…at all.
How dare you question the King… Of with your head…Or just delete his thread…
No, it is WAR we are talking about, with no prospect of peace in sight! And the most unpopular war in American history, far more hated than Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan rolled into one. We are fighting the never-ending war against stupidity, wherever it may be found. Wines merely suffer collateral damage in the process. Think of Parker as The Fonz of the wine world and his critics as trying to force the cancellation of Happy Days in the middle of its first season…
So what did your boss tell you since you have a source? You sell the wine, like it, and don’t care for the fact that he doesn’t rate them well. What vendetta, and why wouldn’t it seem to an observer that you are just as biased? Personally, I think the wines are ok, and would say that your opinions work for each of you, and I’d consider neither a sure thing to jibe with mine. I think the wines are clearly lighter styled than the orignal Red Car brand, and it’s no surprised that some would find SOME of them on the leaner side of the mid-point. Knowing Parker’s palate, how is it a surprise that he didn’t taste the wine just as you did and genuinely have a different opinion? One can click right over to the Red Car site and see them publishing two quite favorable Advocate reviews from 4/13 to market their wines. A vendetta seems like a serious stretch to me.
In a way you are making Chris S.'s point that the same criticism people levy upon Parker can be levied upon posts here. Parker gets ripped for the insistence that his palate is right, and those that disagree are wrong. For the second time you’re telling us he’s just wrong about the wine, you’re right, and even speculate that he has a vendetta. So now you’ve even added a personal attack on him, beyond just accepting his palate difference, even if flawed.
Jim, can’t you see this is mortal combat? I’ll see your erudite perspective and raise you a… 
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I think it is just a personality issue to some extent too Chris. Some of us like to see the banter and the back and forth, even if we laugh and shake our heads when someone takes it to an extreme. To me the kum ba yah bit gets old. I’d spend probably zero time here if there weren’t pots being stirred. [well, not zero, but far less!]
This thread needs popcorn. It’s even more entertaining than reruns of “Firing Line”!
Wish granted.
f*ck the KC Chiefs. And the Royals too.
John, thanks! It’s nice to know I’m wanted. However, I’m not a KC native, so those are misses. Cardinals and Arsenal are the tender spots if you’re looking. KC does have a fine MLS team though.
No, it needs more…
No that’s not what I’m saying.
I read his reviews, fine they are what they are. But then he posts on his ‘rhapsody’ thread and again mentions them and insinuates really poor quality and puts them in the camp with Scholium project. Really, Scholium? The wines have nothing to do with Scholium nor there style, nor ‘all natural’ or any other label.
What’s also weird about the reviews they posted is that they are so polar opposite of what Galloni wrote.
He could have chosen any winery that has poor quality wine as a comparison but to point them out AGAIN just seemed somewhat vindictive.
Look John, as I have said before I don’t use a lot of reviews to sell wine (as you tried to call me out on) and people have purchased because they like them so I’m not commenting on the ‘score’, but to say what he has said when his fellow reviewer gave them good marks and then to bring them up as being of poor quality just seems weird and yes vindictive.
And I’m not biased, I would say this about any wine that he does this same thing to.
Now let me get back to my 90pt Apothic red
Or see his comments a few years ago regarding Edmunds St John wines.