Did anyone read Parker's latest screed?

[R_M_Kriete]

@John Morris

@Rudi Finkler

“Eurocentric, self-proclaimed purists”, “wannabes”, “lazy, self-aggrandizing producers”, “Euro-elitists”, “neo-intellectuals and extremists”, etc. …
Always the same inept Euro-phobic, anti-intellectual, populist and demagogic rhetoric…. How boring!

I recall a large photo of Ronald Reagan on his office wall in Mondovino.

Yeah, winning the Cold War was so typically “American”

[ky1em1ttskus]

Does Bill Klapp know that Parker is complete unaware of the war between the two of them?

[Larry_P]

@kylemittskus

Does Bill Klapp know that Parker is complete unaware of the war between the two of them?

I wouldn’t bet on that.

[Bill_Klapp_deactivated]

Kyle, not true. It used to be waged e-mano a e-mano on the Squires board. That was back in the day when there was relative freedom of speech there, more like Putin’s Russia than the Stalinist Russia after The (Pay) Wall was erected and the tanks rolled in.

I famously told him that he did not understand Burgundy or Brunello, among other bon mots. And I was invited to lunch with him almost as many times as Tim Hanni invited me to lunch in one thread!

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@kylemittskus

Does Bill Klapp know that Parker is complete unaware of the war between the two of them?

RMP, Jr. is very well aware of his most vocal critics on EBOB. He is quite vindictive and petty as well in how he has folks uninvited from major charitable events held annually in Napa Valley.1

[Ken_V]

Should this thread be moved to the Klapp Bashing thread.

[Peter_Petersen]

Probably some one already mentioned this, but this article is indeed an old Parker post. I guess it’s been cleaned up to become an article of merit rather than a late night rant.

[Mark_Mathes]

@Jim V a n P e l t

Read / skimmed the whole article. Definitely not a drunk rant. Quite well written. I had the nagging question throughout my reading - “gee…I wonder what initiated this? Seems like something really got under his skin”.

Maybe he was inspired by Richard Sherman of the Seahawks. There is an eerie comparison, although Parker’s rant was slightly more eloquent.

[John_Morris]

@Mark Mathes

Maybe he was inspired by Richard Sherman of the Seahawks.

LOL. And even Fox switched away from that!

[thomasP]

This place often reads like Valley Girls in a schoolyard where male hormones are sold in Glassine envelopes.

[todd_waldmann]

@Mark Mathes

@Jim V a n P e l t

Read / skimmed the whole article. Definitely not a drunk rant. Quite well written. I had the nagging question throughout my reading - “gee…I wonder what initiated this? Seems like something really got under his skin”.

Maybe he was inspired by Richard Sherman of the Seahawks. There is an eerie comparison, although Parker’s rant was slightly more eloquent.

I’d argue that Richard Sherman’s rant was more eloquent, but that’s just, like, my opinion, man.

[Mark_Golodetz]

@Chris Seiber

That frankly sounds about like most of the AFWE rants about “Parkerized, blueberry milkshake, score whores, vodka kool aid, blah blah blah” wines, just on the opposite side of the argument.

To me, the beauty of wine is the infinite different expressions of all the different grapes, from different harvest times, to different terroir and climate, to different winemaking techniques, to different vintages, at different ages, etc. And those of us who collect a diverse cellar of good wines in many styles, we get to experience the diversity and the ability to match wines to mood, company, food, weather, time of day, etc.

I have never understood people on either side of the spectrum who think this is some kind of either/or, us versus them, thing, like you’re a Michigan fan or you’re an Ohio State fan. Like you have to exalt one thing and tear the others down. Drink what you like, by all means, but this isn’t some kind of tribal war of us against them.

One of these days Chris, you may read what is actually written rather than your thin skinned interpretation of it. As others have pointed out, I attacked the wines because I see no merit in them, not the people who drink them. You have my full permission to drink whatever you want, and I promise you, I won’t think any the worse of you.

[Mark_Golodetz]

@todd waldmann

@Mark Mathes

@Jim V a n P e l t

Read / skimmed the whole article. Definitely not a drunk rant. Quite well written. I had the nagging question throughout my reading - “gee…I wonder what initiated this? Seems like something really got under his skin”.

Maybe he was inspired by Richard Sherman of the Seahawks. There is an eerie comparison, although Parker’s rant was slightly more eloquent.

It wasn’t more eloquent, just less bizarre.

[Marshall_Gelb]

@Chris Seiber

That frankly sounds about like most of the AFWE rants about “Parkerized, blueberry milkshake, score whores, vodka kool aid, blah blah blah” wines, just on the opposite side of the argument.

To me, the beauty of wine is the infinite different expressions of all the different grapes, from different harvest times, to different terroir and climate, to different winemaking techniques, to different vintages, at different ages, etc. And those of us who collect a diverse cellar of good wines in many styles, we get to experience the diversity and the ability to match wines to mood, company, food, weather, time of day, etc.

I have never understood people on either side of the spectrum who think this is some kind of either/or, us versus them, thing, like you’re a Michigan fan or you’re an Ohio State fan. Like you have to exalt one thing and tear the others down. Drink what you like, by all means, but this isn’t some kind of tribal war of us against them.

Chris; You have it nailed! Parker was a great help to me in my earlier wine collecting days. He turned me on to numerous wonderful producers over the years. Unfortunately, most of those producers now receive stratospheric prices for their wines and I am no longer their demographic. Another unfortunate item is that Parker is so adamant that his palate is the only palate that he is totally blinded to other styles of wine making and other peoples’ preferences. That being said… some of his rants have a smidgen of truth. Just as many do not enjoy “Parkerized blueberry milkshakes;” many of my wine drinking buddies (me included) hate 25 year old “hipster” sommeliers trying to shove orange, skin contact, amphora wines down our throats and then acting shocked if we do not agree. As with any subjective art form, of which, wine is one, there is a huge spectrum of “correctness” and extremism in any direction is not the proper path.

Cheers!
Marshall

[Chris_Seiber]

I’ll tell you what, Mark G, I’ll drop it at this point, and I’ll take your word at face value as to what you meant in your McDonalds Blueberry Milkshake Award thread about Kosta Browne; i.e. that it wasn’t an indirect slam on people who enjoy certain wines as being suckers and score chasers. If I mistook your intent, I apologize.

I love this board, and I come here to share a love for wine and to learn more about the world of wine, not to bicker with people or bash people and sneer at their tastes in wine. But I sometimes feel that, in order to keep this board a place of open expression and diversity, rather than an echo chamber for the single point of view that is most forceful here, that we WBers need to take a turn policing ourselves and push back in certain places.

That was what I was attempting to do, for better or worse, but at this point, I’ll drop it. I’ve said my peace, for better or worse, and let’s go back to talking about the world of wine, rather than how Robert Parker and AWFEers and others attack each other over it. I’ll see y’all in some of the other theads.

[ky1em1ttskus]

Mark, if I drive a Chevy and you do nothing but talk about how horrible driving a Chevy is, do you really not see how you are indirectly commenting on my choice? You can’t be that daft because you seem like an intelligent guy.

[Jim_Brennan]

@kylemittskus

Mark, if I drive a Chevy and you do nothing but talk about how horrible driving a Chevy is, do you really not see how you are indirectly commenting on my choice? You can’t be that daft because you seem like an intelligent guy.

Make sure to never have an opinion on anything then. In particular, I’d suggest you stay away from the innernets, as it may harm your psyche.

[ky1em1ttskus]

@Jim Brennan

@kylemittskus

Mark, if I drive a Chevy and you do nothing but talk about how horrible driving a Chevy is, do you really not see how you are indirectly commenting on my choice? You can’t be that daft because you seem like an intelligent guy.

Make sure to never have an opinion on anything then. In particular, I’d suggest you stay away from the innernets, as it may harm your psyche.

Why shouldn’t I have an opinion? And I’m not harmed at all. Just making observations and sharing opinions. Me saying that your opinion suggests X does not mean that your opinion or X offend me. Now, can we get back on topic? It’s a bit ironic that someone is faulting a person for having a polemic opinion while they are expressing an almost identical polemic opinion. Just change the adjectives and voilà! We have two peas on a proverbial pod. Fun, huh?

[Jim_Brennan]

Beware of sarcasm also.

[Brad_S_w_a_l_l_o_w]

@kylemittskus

Mark, if I drive a Chevy and you do nothing but talk about how horrible driving a Chevy is, do you really not see how you are indirectly commenting on my choice? You can’t be that daft because you seem like an intelligent guy.

Wait a minute. If I’m on a car board participating in a thread about a particular Chevy, and I have had a negative experience with that exact Chevy, I’m supposed to say the Chevy is great because I might offend someone who really likes the Chevy?

Sounds like to me.