What bottle aging time does this group recommend for these Sonoma county PNs? I have a case of lot 510 '23 Russian River and considering to try a bottle soon, then likely holding the rest for at least 1 year. I also want to add to my PN stash but have limited storage space.
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Thereâs a Lot 537 2024 Pinot Noir from Marin county coming up. Appd march 7th
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My experience and preference says try these with about 1 year of bottle time. Many purchasers (possible non believers in Cameronâs word these age well) had drinkers remorse after going through most of the case in less than a year of bottle time. The best 2018 Cabs are just hitting drinking window now with > 4 years bottle time.
Your mileage may vary (YMMV), but holding onto these wines will reward itself. Some try overnight decants. Just be patient.
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JakeB
I donât know. Carneros âPowerhouseâ my first thought was Etude, not sure they have a AV PN?
Cheers, Tim
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Is there a very nice smartish person out there that is willing to try this test?? I plead dinosaur 
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Using whatever AIâs you have (Grok, etcâŠ) try each one with this:
â ⊠Lot 532 is a single-vineyard stunner from one of the most prized sites in the entire region. Elegant yet wild, this beauty came to us via a Carneros powerhouse renowned for crafting top-shelf expressions from the best terroirs across the North Coast.â
Or, much better, reading the whole sales pitch?
See what comes out? Thanks! 
Hopefully not a Gallo hallucination? 
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Try it and see how you like it. If it tastes great, drink at your leisure over the next decade.
If you donât love it, check back in a year. Could be a swan in waiting, could just be a mediocre bottle of wine (no experience with the wine you mention.)
Also, often helpful to see what people are saying on cellartracker.
I used to play with this and it just spits out complete garbage.
I think the problem is that virtually every winery calls themselves premier this and premium that and has a winemaker whoâs done this.
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âElegant but wildâ
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First guess:
The wording in the write up is a match, the family estate history is a match, but might just be 100% Zin from this winery, not a field blend like this wine.
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Iâm a sucker for a big zin, sounds right up my ally - in for a case
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Thanks Timothy and Dave. Your input is appreciated. I am holding some bigger reds (505 Cab, 515 Prop Red, 518 Malbec) and I plan to be very patient with these. I will give the 510 PN a bit more time.
Havenât ordered in a long time. This broke the drought.
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My crystal ball says something great is happening very very soon.
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Iâve been a DCV club member for a long time, just got notified of our Spring Zin shipment that includes their 2022 Historic Zin. The description was my first guess. We love their Zins.
I wonder if maybe the 23 just wasnât measuring up so they are offloading it early.
Iâm definitely in for a case.
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I think most likely the 2023 harvest was so bountiful that they had extra, or more than they wanted to produce given the current wine industry headwinds.
Which makes an excellent opportunity for us!
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Does Dry Creek Vineyards have a ZInfandel thats over $60 a bottle?
Thatâs the problem with NDA, lots of wiggle room on actual price (e.g., with shipping? tax?) and, as pointed out above, the closest match for Dry Creek is a blend. Lots of other possibilities, e.g., Pedroncelli.
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OMG
Gaming the Glut
One of my early columns profiled Cameron Hughes, a California-based négociant who built a hugely successful brand thanks to the aforementioned wine glut. I first heard about Hughes at a dinner party of Chicago collectors in late 2009; a few months later I arranged a lunch with him in New York and purchased a case of his wines. Hughes was taking $100 bottles of first-rate Cabernet that had gone begging thanks to the glut and selling them for a fraction of their original price, under his own labels. For example, the 2007 Cameron Hughes Lot 164 Rutherford Hills Cabernet Sauvignon sold for $22. These were remarkable wines for the price and quickly sold out.
By 2015, the glut was over and the company was in receivership. (It was later acquired by Vintage Wine Estates.) But Hughes has since founded a mail-order steak company, Holy Grail Steak, and is now launching the NĂ©gociant Wine Company, featuring wines ranging from $10 to $15 a bottle that will be available soon.
Paywall free link below:
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Wow! Do we need a separate thread now??
Did he really only have a 1 year non-compete (or has it been longer, canât remember when it changed hands)?
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