De Negoce offer (Part 2)

Scott,
Not much clues here, my thoughts are Rochioli or Williams Seylem as some prestigious allocation only lists in Sonoma. However, allocation only RRV Chardonnay that lists for $55 on website seems a bit low- those are usually > $65+. Only vintner that keeps his prices a bit below market is typically Ramey. But his Rochioli Vineyard Chard is $80ish.

Cheers, Tim

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They’ve dropped Goldridge soil references on previous Dehlinger sources bottlings, including Chard #73, believed to be their Garbro Ranch.

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Scott_Fleming,
I hear ya on > prices, costs of everything has gone up it seems. As Scott_B would say “good booze” costs more these days. Until there is some desparation event, we might not get back to deep price discounts seen 3-4 years ago. I’ve filled my cellar with those deep discounted wines from 3-4 years ago, and thoroughly enjoy those now extinct wines and prices I paid for them!

Cheers, Tim

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de Negoce regulars ought to check out the thread on the DuPuis auction.

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Same producer as n.424? Similar verbiage but more ambiguous on the vineyard locations for this offering.

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13.9% abv and lots of red fruit discursion makes me a no thanks. Holding out hope for the next proprietary red like 429.

Yah, I want to like this but it’s vague and I also don’t love sub 14% cabs. One thing that sticks out is this:

From vineyard to bottle, this winery spares no expense.

Why talk about the BOTTLE if it’s not a shiner? Why would WE care about how they bottle it? Maybe it is but can’t disclose? I’m reaching but description is so vague maybe that’s why?

I would think they are not literally talking about the physical bottle. I assume they mean the act of producing the Wine until it reaches the bottle.

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Robert,
Implying that it is not packaged in a box is a possibility? lol.

Cheers, Tim

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Good point, I feel very confident now since they use glass. Didn’t mention anything about the closure though, After sparing no expense with the bottle they probably skimped.

Otoh, if they didn’t spare ANY expense on the vineyard then logically it must be Screaming Eagle, because they wouldn’t save a few bucks and bottle MacDonald.

Chris - was a big buyer of DeN wines early on, but trailed off. Haven’t been here too much lately. What’s the scoop on “new regime”?

Hi @John_O , Not sure if I have all details correct, someone else can chime in, but approximately a year ago Cameron Hughes divested/sold/was bought out of deNegoce by what is presumed/deduced to be Martin Ray winery. Cam stopped posting on WB, and a few changes to format of website and customer service, but imo if you were not engaged here, or directly with Cam on some level, the changes to the operation/website and offers were not a significant change. During that timeframe, they did seem to have lots of bottle shop inventory that was not moving, and various sales eventually cleared most of that out. I think the switchover in who was actually sourcing the wines occurred in approximately the early 400’s.

My own personal buying spurt occurred toward end of last year, after “the change”, but most of the wines I bought were sub-300 dN wines that I was able to read some reviews of actual buyers here, CellarTracker, and denegociants.

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Thx Chris. I hope it ended better for him than his 1st iteration.

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Good summary, although from my point of view, I’ve seen zero proof that Cam was in fact fully bought out of dN and is no longer involved in dN. When asked, the folks at dN say that he is still involved and is sourcing the new wines, but no longer being involved is purely speculation. Perhaps strong speculation based on empirical evidence, but speculation nonetheless.

On that note, I’ll share that a I have been working on a new theory about what happened last summer. I’ll share it soon enough…I have to type it out first!

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I went back to the dN notes from bottles that I remember I like - and all are 14.5%+. I have never really paid too much attention to that, but you make a good point.

Can anyone point out some good dN (or non-dN) bottlings that are close to 14%? This supposedly clocks in at 13.9%.

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Corison used 50% new french oak aged 18 month at 13.9% abv for their 2020 but couldnt find any specs for their 2022 yet. And price is somewhat fitting. Just an off the wall guess

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John 0
Cam bought a new house in Kenwood on March 9th '23 when the deal for de Negoce cleared to Courtney Benham as the manager (General?) of dN.
He has a new LLC registered there called Intergalatic wines.

Cheers, Tim

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I purchased a case of the 424 and had one a few weeks ago. On the pour it was pretty closed but had some good things going on, next day it was pretty solid. In for a case.

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I’m actually excited by the lower alcohol, but if I wait long enough, maybe it will sell out.
I have 251 and 54 at 13.5, but haven’t tried either yet.
398 is 13.9, but also haven’t tried.

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