There is a group of producers called http://www.despiedsetdesvins.fr/
Sergent is a member. I think for me these are the producers to look out for in the future. Thomas Perseval especially is doing fantastic work and Remi Leroy’s releases were a massive step up in quality. Mouzon-Leroux, I am not quite sure what to make of his champagnes, he used to be my favourite producer but the no dosage no sulphur regime has changed the champagnes, they are a bit jagged. Etienne Calsac is a producer I admire greatly, he started from scratch and is slowly finding his style.
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The wholesale price of Prisme.17 is up ~25% from the .16, which makes it a nice candidate for this thread. To me, it is still a buy at that new price. The Thethys.19 is now at about the old Prisme price.
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I’ve seen you post this about Thomas Perseval and even make big name comparisons. I personally don’t see it. I think that the Grande Cuvée is the best of the ones I’ve tried. I did not like the La Pucelle and Le Hazat. I bundled all mine up and sent to auction where I think I maybe got my money back. I haven’t checked on Mouzon-Leroux in a bit since they changed importers in the US. I’ve liked the Etienne Calsac that I’ve had, but they’re not available in my market and I try to keep my out of state purchases to a minimum for philosophical reasons. A recent bottle of Les Revenants a friend brought to dinner was very good and very interesting.
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I can understand in that you like Calsac’s Reverends,you are not looking for purity in champagnes Thomas Perseval will definitely not appeal to you. I am a bit surprised at your judgement on the crus., they are way too young and need time to put on wieght.
Not reflected in Europe, the winery increased by about 5% and for the quality still good value.
any info re Stephane Regnault? Had two recently and was impressed, especially second day.
Has anyone tasted Prisme.17? I’m generally but not entirely avoiding '17 vintage and base year Champagne. Thx.
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Had some back in 2021. They were young and I was apparently short with my notes. I think two additional years of experience would certainly have benefited his wines
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NV Stephane Regnault Champagne Grand Cru Lydien No. 29 - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (3/13/2021)
Decent acid, fruit took an hour or two to open up. Pretty well made champagne, though lacking a bit in complexity. (91 points)
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NV Stephane Regnault Champagne Grand Cru Mixolydien No. 29 - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (2/20/2021)
Very pale straw. Richness, bread, yeasty, hazelnut, strong acid that’s a little out of place. Fruit is muffled to start. Followed over a few hours and didn’t really improve. Disappointing compared to the Dorien.
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NV Stephane Regnault Champagne Grand Cru Dorien No. 14 - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (2/13/2021)
Tastes like a baby Peters Chetillon. Good life ahead. (93 points)
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I apparently liked the Dorien…a good reminder to revisit
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No of course not. I’m looking for smudged, very broad Champagnes, sort of like the Aussie Shiraz of the 1990s, but Champagne!
OR, I know something about what I’m looking for and have my own bona fides that I won’t go into here. I didn’t find the Thomas Perseval wines compelling when I tried them when they were first imported into the States or this last time. I was hoping to get some insight into why people find them compelling so I can use that information as a benchmark for the rest of their information.
Glad that Guiborat has not gone up for you, I can only report the facts that come to me. Even with the price increase at the wholesale level, it’s still a good value.
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Curious, what’s the relation, if any, between Thomas and Clement Perseval?
They’re in the same town (Chamery) so probably related, although they seem to have separate estates. Gerard is Clement’s father.
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Thanks Al. I should have pointed out that my reason for asking was that I saw they were both in Chamery, and therefore assumed there was some relation.
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Thankfully, you can still go very far in Champagne for less than $100. But, I can remember it was not that long ago that you could find Dom Perignon for $140 and CdC for $125 if you shopped around.
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Fascinating discussion, made me look twice at Ruppert Leroy and Dehours. Maybe I’ll have to revisit Savart as well but L’Ouverture was very average(Maillart’s Platine much better at a similar pricepoint) and L’accomplie, while good, was painfully young. Curious if the new Les Pinots and the Haute Couture 17 are worth a shot.
In the meanwhile I am very happy with a case of Roger Coulon that I bought instead of a bottle of Les Maillons. Charles Dufour, a neighbor of Bouchard, is also quite nice for the price if a bit young and austere.
I recently had the Dufour and Francoise Martinot Bistrotage B.10 and it was excellent. Certainly nothing young or austere there; with 10 years on the lees it was rich and complex, in an oxidative style. The only wine I’ve had from them, I thought it was great.
Should have written about the Bistrotage but I forgot. Never had the chance to try B10 but I’m sure it’s in a good place right now, as even the recently released B14 is very nice p&p. The young one I was talking about is the bulles de comptoir, which is Dufour’s entry cuvee.
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I’m curious about this as well.
Same with the Lydian No. 45 I had a few weeks ago. Good, not great, and would have benefitted from time. Like 5+ years, probably, but interesting.
Without trying to counter yiur thoughts on 2017 in general, we had a dynamite bottle of the Doyard Clos de l’Abbaye from 2017. It was just delightful, and worth the tariff.
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2017 in the Côte de Blancs is really not so bad as all that… We are too quick to generalize about Champagne vintages, I venture: it’s such a big region, with very different cépages, and then on top of that very different approaches to farming.
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