CellarTracker question

[Eric_LeVine]

@Ken V

@Eric LeVine

@Michael Davidson

Eric, I’ve often wanted to change what wine a bottle is while keeping other details the same. I think that’s what was requested above.

Michael

And I already answered that question above. It is easy. That is how it works.

I’m confused too. Suppose I have bottles of 1995 regular Monprivato and 1995 Ca d’Morissio already in my cellar. Then I get a great deal on a case of regular Monprivato, but when I go to enter it into CT, I mistakenly label it Ca d’Morissio. I think what you propose would change all of my Ca bottles into regular Monprivato bottles, no?

When you edit a wine definition, it moves ALL of your data from that wine to the corrected wine. So yes, in your case, if you have legit holdings of a wine and then mistakenly add a purchase to that wine, you should not edit the wine definition. Rather, you delete that purchase or drink/remove the bottles and choose the option to delete without adding to consumption history. And then add the purchase to the proper wine.

[J_Singleton]

Sorry, Eric. Didn’t intend for this to be a Q&A for you today. I should have assumed this would happen.

[Eric_LeVine]

@Richard Shin

Totally unrelated, and this may have already been answered before…but on the homepage of cellartracker, is that a pic of your cellar, Eric?

Yep.

[Eric_LeVine]

@Brian Tuite

@Jay Winton

and another…can you accept partial deliveries?

On the same wine? Not unless there were separate purchases. Or you can go back and edit the purchase before accepting delivery.

Incorrect. You can edit the purchase of a single wine in SINGLE BOTTLE EDIT mode to split delivery.

[Eric_LeVine]

@M.Kaplan

Ah. I wasn’t clear. TBC input the wrong wine. Rather than inputting Monprivato, they input a different wine, Monprivato Ca d’Morisso. I just want to change name of the wine in my cellar only without changing any other of my data (location, purchase date, etc) or proposing a global name change that would affect other users. Not an incorrectly named wine, but a wine that was input incorrectly in my cellar.

Yes, that is what I thought you meant, and my answer holds. When we see people propose and edit/correction to a wine, it is usually quite obvious when they are fixing an error on their end versus proposing a correction to the global wine definition. So we “spin off” the edit and carry ALL of their data for that wine with it. You don’t have to do a thing. All barcodes and other data are maintained and just moved from one wine to another.

The only issue would be if you ALSO had legitimate holdings of that wine in addition to the mistaken ones. In that case, per my answer to Ken above, you delete the offending bottles and re-add them to the proper wine.

So assuming you just want to move the 11 bottles of the 2001, just get her: https://www.cellartracker.com/editwine.asp?iWine=442103
Clear the designation. Save and done. We sweep the edit queue many times per day and will move your data to the right wine within the hour.

[Eric_LeVine]

@J. Singleton

Sorry, Eric. Didn’t intend for this to be a Q&A for you today. I should have assumed this would happen.

Well clearly there is pent up demand for some tech support…

Most of these questions can be found in my support forum too FWIW. But I am happy to answer them here.

[Tyler_Rico]

@Eric LeVine

@Jay Winton

and another…can you accept partial deliveries?

Easily in the new site. You are SOL in the old site.

In the side panel for the wine, click PENDING DELIVERY. Click the EDIT button. Toggle to the SINGLE BOTTLE EDIT tab. Change the status of as many bottle as were delivered to IN MY CELLAR from PENDING.

using the old site, the split delivery function achieves this result

[J_Singleton]

@Eric LeVine

@J. Singleton

Sorry, Eric. Didn’t intend for this to be a Q&A for you today. I should have assumed this would happen.

Well clearly there is pent up demand for some tech support…

Most of these questions can be found in my support forum too FWIW. But I am happy to answer them here.

I completely forgot about the forums. My bad.

[Eric_LeVine]

What split delivery function in the old site? I have a cheesy link to let you edit the purchase. In the new site the purchase editor lets you edit each bottle independently which handles this case nicely.

Well I just played with the old hack I added in the old site. It’s actually not so awful. Better than I remembered actually. Still not as slick as the new site though…

[M.Kaplan]

@Eric LeVine

@M.Kaplan

Ah. I wasn’t clear. TBC input the wrong wine. Rather than inputting Monprivato, they input a different wine, Monprivato Ca d’Morisso. I just want to change name of the wine in my cellar only without changing any other of my data (location, purchase date, etc) or proposing a global name change that would affect other users. Not an incorrectly named wine, but a wine that was input incorrectly in my cellar.

Yes, that is what I thought you meant, and my answer holds. When we see people propose and edit/correction to a wine, it is usually quite obvious when they are fixing an error on their end versus proposing a correction to the global wine definition. So we “spin off” the edit and carry ALL of their data for that wine with it. You don’t have to do a thing. All barcodes and other data are maintained and just moved from one wine to another.

The only issue would be if you ALSO had legitimate holdings of that wine in addition to the mistaken ones. In that case, per my answer to Ken above, you delete the offending bottles and re-add them to the proper wine.

So assuming you just want to move the 11 bottles of the 2001, just get her: https://www.cellartracker.com/editwine.asp?iWine=442103
Clear the designation. Save and done. We sweep the edit queue many times per day and will move your data to the right wine within the hour.

Got it, thanks. I was concerned about creating more work for the CT staff by doing it that way.

[Eric_LeVine]

@M.Kaplan

@Eric LeVine

@M.Kaplan

Ah. I wasn’t clear. TBC input the wrong wine. Rather than inputting Monprivato, they input a different wine, Monprivato Ca d’Morisso. I just want to change name of the wine in my cellar only without changing any other of my data (location, purchase date, etc) or proposing a global name change that would affect other users. Not an incorrectly named wine, but a wine that was input incorrectly in my cellar.

Yes, that is what I thought you meant, and my answer holds. When we see people propose and edit/correction to a wine, it is usually quite obvious when they are fixing an error on their end versus proposing a correction to the global wine definition. So we “spin off” the edit and carry ALL of their data for that wine with it. You don’t have to do a thing. All barcodes and other data are maintained and just moved from one wine to another.

The only issue would be if you ALSO had legitimate holdings of that wine in addition to the mistaken ones. In that case, per my answer to Ken above, you delete the offending bottles and re-add them to the proper wine.

So assuming you just want to move the 11 bottles of the 2001, just get her: https://www.cellartracker.com/editwine.asp?iWine=442103
Clear the designation. Save and done. We sweep the edit queue many times per day and will move your data to the right wine within the hour.

Got it, thanks. I was concerned about creating more work for the CT staff by doing it that way.

It was a lot of work. I just did it. Took me 1 second.

[Brian_Tuite]

@Eric LeVine

@Brian Tuite

@Jay Winton

and another…can you accept partial deliveries?

On the same wine? Not unless there were separate purchases. Or you can go back and edit the purchase before accepting delivery.

Incorrect. You can edit the purchase of a single wine in SINGLE BOTTLE EDIT mode to split delivery.

That was what I said. You can’t do it in the pending delivery screen though

[Eric_LeVine]

Well yeah, but with the side panel and breadcrumb you never really have to leave. It will bring you right back to the Pending Delivery screen when done.

[Michael_Davidson]

@Eric LeVine

@Michael Davidson

Eric, I’ve often wanted to change what wine a bottle is while keeping other details the same. I think that’s what was requested above.

Michael

And I already answered that question above. It is easy. That is how it works.

I figured there would be a different flow for changing one bottle of my wine vs. merging wines that should be the same. Performing the steps you describe is certainly easy, but it’s not obvious from the product that the two scenarios should be fixed in the same manner, especially given that it requires a person to intervene! If I make a mistake I’m hesitant to use your expensive manpower to correct it, I was looking for a way to do it myself.

Anyway, trying this now I see this warning: “Other CellarTracker users are sharing this wine definition with you. You may change the vintage of your wine, and it will only affect your cellar. However, proposed changes to other fields will first be reviewed by the site admin.”

That makes me think it’s only useful for editing bad wines instead of moving my bottle to a different wine. If you want users to use this page for making corrections to their bottles, might want to make the language more clear. Also, if I want to change the wine that my bottle is it’s nice to be able to search for an existing wine. If I just muck with the appelation, I might end up creating a third wine, which is definitely not what I want!

Love the site, appreciate your hard work. Hope feedback is taken in the spirit that it’s intended. I spend a lot of my day dealing with feedback, so I understand the challenges.

Michael

[Eric_LeVine]

Michael, the reality is that more than half the edits people propose are bogus and would create errors if we did not vet them. So we very INTENTIONALLY do not want to make it easy for people to willy nilly edit wines and spin off new wine definitions. So we actually don’t really want people to do this. What most people do is to delete the purchase and re-add it to the other wine, and we are OK with that.

[Joel_W]

@Eric LeVine

Michael, the reality is that more than half the edits people propose are bogus and would create errors if we did not vet them.

I can only imagine.

Hey Eric, totally off subject but any update on the mobile app?

As always, thanks!

[Eric_LeVine]

Mobile app is making lots of progress. We update our FAQ regularly: About the CellarTracker Mobile Apps - CellarTracker Support

[AndrewH]

@Eric LeVine

Michael, the reality is that more than half the edits people propose are bogus and would create errors if we did not vet them. So we very INTENTIONALLY do not want to make it easy for people to willy nilly edit wines and spin off new wine definitions. So we actually don’t really want people to do this. What most people do is to delete the purchase and re-add it to the other wine, and we are OK with that.

That’s what I’ve done, but if I understand you correctly if I make a basic error adding a new batch of wine (say vintage 2009 instead of 2010), I can change the wine and everything changes over, but preserves my barcodes etc.?

(usually I don’t catch an error until I’ve printed out labels and am ready to stick them on bottles.)

[Eric_LeVine]

Yes, if you make changes through the wine editor, all existing data will be unperturbed. It will just be associated with a different wine. If you make a vintage change no permission is required. If you make edits to vineyards, varieties, appellations etc. those go through an approval pass. The system can’t tell if you want to correct a wine globally or just for your cellar, but a human can usually see very clearly. And as mentioned, I try not to make it so easy for users to spin off their own wines willy-nilly, as that creates many more messes for us…

[Andrew_Hall]

On every wine screen, there is an option to ‘Report a Problem.’ You can use this separate from or in conjunction with an edit to clarify or make sure we know what you had in mind. Emails us directly and I often get to it quicker than the queue.

Thanks,

A.