Just took delivery of some 2022 wines from Marc Morey and noticed some are labeled “Domaine Marc Morey” and some are labeled “SAS Marc Morey.” Assuming one is from all owned vines and the other is not, but does anyone have insight here? Are the SAS bottles of the same quality as the Domaine bottles? Thanks in advance.
The Chassagne are owned vines. The Rully are not. My French is really poor but I believe the Rully states done for Domaine Marc Morey.
It has been many vintages but the Rully used to be a great bargain. Hopefully, that is still the case.
Based on the labels I’d guess the opposite. Domaine is typically owned vines and mis en bouteille indicates the wine was made and bottled at the Domaine. The SAS label just says “marketed” by. Sounds like negociant.
The Rully has historically been negociant at least through 2016 when we visited. Her holdings are in Chassagne and Puligny but maybe the village isn’t from her vines.
Here is a label from the 2017 Virondot, which is essentially a monopole.
Brian I think your photo supports the opposite conclusion. The language on the CM 1er you posted matches fairly closely with the Rully 1er I posted (“par” on both bottles means “by”, not “for,” which would instead be “pour”. “Au” on your bottle means “at,” essentially), so I think Andrew is correct that the SAS CM I posted is negotiant wine.
So, my question stands; does anyone have any experience with the SAS Marc Morey wines? Are they to the same quality as the Domaine wines? Should they be commanding the price I paid (about $60 for this CM village)?
Looking more closely now, I don’t think either bottle is Domaine. The label I posted states Domaine Marc Morey at the top. The two you posted don’t have that. And I don’t see either of those two wines on the website. https://www.domaine-marc-morey.fr/appellations-vins
It’s hard to determine much based on a 2017 label not matching a 2022 label as they update labels all the time. Also, one Rully being negociant doesn’t preclude a different Rully cuvée being Domaine fruit. Based on what we’ve seen so far, I don’t think there’s any clear answers.
No, completely the other way around - Rully is a domaine wine from owned vines Chassagne is from purchased grapes or must -
Jasper Morris doesn’t list any Rully holdings. He does list 0.21 Hectares of village C-M and notes that they also buy other and mix into that.
https://www.insideburgundy.com/producer/domaine-marc-morey-fils/
Bourgogne wines doesn’t list Marc Morey as a producer.
If the Rully is a Domaine wine, okay, but I can’t find anything supporting that. Regardless, the Rully has always been a good wine. When it was priced in the high $20 to low $30 range, it crushed most everything in that price range for me. Unfortunately it got hard to find locally so Ihavent had a recent vintage.
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Maybe not property but kind of lease (metayage, fermage) - the “Domaine” designation indicating that all is done at the domaine
The uk retailer Latimer has the standard Rully 2022 for sale and notes:
This is a long term negociant must purchase. Golden apples, pear, some fresh apricot. Unapologetically richer profile and a note of rose petal. There is enough acidity to balance and will appeal to those who like a riper creamy style. [Latimer Vintners, 01/11/2023]
I notice the label for it has the same ‘Vinifé, élevé et mis en bouteille par Domaine Marc Morey’ as the Rully 1er cru in this post, so it seems a pretty sure bet the Rullys are both negoce wines.
The Chassagne label is pretty confusing. It’s different from the 2022 1er cru labels:
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Starting to think both of these are some form of negotiant wine, especially given the lack of “Domaine Marc Morey & Fils” at the top of the labels.
Bill Nanson writes of the 2017 Chassagne: Three main parcels in the domaine, some low volume 1er cru plus one purchase of grapes.
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If still only one purchase of grapes, then per the Jasper Moris link I posted the other day, that would be the small part of Virondot that they don’t own but they do farm and produce the wine.