I, unapologetically, like full-bodied California Cabs. I certainly still buy the $20 everyday drinker and still enjoy finding a hidden gem. However, my sweet-spot is $40 to $50 and you can find a tremendous amount of great wines including Chimney Rock, Hall, Sojourn, Cabot, Ramey, Robt. Craig etc…I love trying new wines but I read about a wine on this site and someone is loving it and saying it is a great QPR. When I look up the wine it might be $75 plus shipping. Given the abundance of very good Cali Cabs out there at $40 to $50 can there really be a great QPR cab at $75?
it’s all relative
Can a $40 or $50 bottle really be a good QPR?
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[quote=“Greg Smith”]I, unapologetically, like full-bodied California Cabs. I certainly still buy the $20 everyday drinker and still enjoy finding a hidden gem. However, my sweet-spot is $40 to $50 and you can find a tremendous amount of great wines including Chimney Rock, Hall, Sojourn, Cabot, Ramey, Robt. Craig etc…I love trying new wines but I read about a wine on this site and someone is loving it and saying it is a great QPR. When I look up the wine it might be $75 plus shipping. Given the abundance of very good Cali Cabs out there at $40 to $50 can there really be a great QPR cab at $75?[/quote]
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$75 can be a QPR if it drinks as well as a $100-$200 bottle and you consider $100-$200/ bottle not offensive. I agree that for the most part there are a lot of excellent $40-$50 Cal Cabs, Faust, Phelps, Myriad, Quivet, Match. And more than a few of the $100+ cabs, to my palate are not worth the $50-$150 extra. I have also found that the$60- $75 price point does seem to produce some exceptional wines including Hobel, SVD’s of R-M, Myriad, Quivet,. I like to occasionally hold blind tastings with my group with a few wines in each category ( We are all Cali cab lovers first.) just to confirm or dispute my perceived value of those wines and help make future buying decisions.
O’Shaughnessy is the only $75 QPR
Indeed, it’s all relative.
As mentioned above, if a wine drinks well above its price point, it’s got qpr potential.
It not a bargain wine and I think that’s where some ambiguity sets in, confusing qpr to bargain. Quality Price Ratio is alive and well in my neighborhood.
I might have to agree on O’Shaughnessy but if you took your top 5 $45 Cabs and your top 5 $75 Cabs is there a BIG enough jump in quality to justify the extra $30/bottle? I understand King Cab’s point above about that $75 bottle that drinks better than other $75 bottles but my point is are there diminishing returns with Cali Cabs between the $45 and $75 price-points where the extra $30 is not buying you that much more in quality?
How much is $30 worth to you? If $30 is not a price difference worth worrying about, then you could easily think it is stupid NOT to pay the extra $30 for even a slightly better wine. Personally, I’m not in that position, and I have a hard time putting up $75+ for any wine, even one I’m very sure I will like a lot. On the other hand, the work it takes trying to find a palatable $10 bottle makes me fish around in the $20 range much more often than most non-wine-geek people I know, for whom $20 is quite the extravagant bottle. Some of those folks think nothing of paying $50+ per seat for a sporting event or $100+ per seat for concert tickets, something I do maybe once a year.
Value is completely relative to personal income and preferences.
Compared to recent BDX pricing for similar quality wines, then hell yes, $75 is a good QPR.
As to O’Shaughnessy, they could give the wine away, and I wouldn’t drink it. Worst experience ever for a tasting visit in Napa.
According to their website, the owner is the gregarious Betty O’Shaughnessy.
We already know what you’re like, so I’d be willing to say that you pretty much got what you deserved.
All kidding aside, I had Segui and his beautiful wife with me. Being Napa residents, one would think they would be treated at least nicely. Nope.
Sounds pretty douchey. I can’t imagine anyone not liking you.
Except maybe for Francis.
They did not have time to form any opinion one way or the other. The hostess rushed us through the tour and tasting in record time because her sister just arrived in Angwin and she was ready to meet up and go drinking down in St. Helena. A note to the owners went unanswered. All I ever need to know about their operation up there.
And who is this Francis you speak of…
Hmm…must be a figment of my imagination because he doesn’t seem to exist.
The experience may have been bad but their wines are the real deal. Drinks a lot like a Bryant Family in my opinion at a margin of the price.
Don’t believe me? Drink them blind.
No question on the quality of the wine. I have enjoyed plenty of their wines prior to my visit, but all it takes is one bad experience and I will spend my money elsewhere.
Bill, we had a similar experience a few years back. We’ve never considered going back.
Oh, and this is a real names board. Please put your last name in your signature line as is requested by the Board Admins.
I would throw in Chappellet Signature in as a QPR cab,along with the CRU bottling from Vineyard 29 and Drinkward Peschon…Myriad was mentioned but Mike Smith is also great work at Quivet and 12C among others.