My point is that I have tasted both Belle Glos & Arterberry.
I would not serve Belle Glos to a dawg - not even if it were a pitbull [although that would be very tempting, and the little killing machine would certainly deserve it].
Whereas I would walk over broken glass to have a sub-$30 Arterberry Old Vines for Thanksgiving instead.
I had a similar experience with Belle Glos Clark & Telegraph at a large dinner attended by mostly casual wine drinkers. I had stupidly bought some for half price on closeout,and thought it might be a crowd pleaser. Nope!
Everyone drank the Willamette Valley PN and left the Belle Glos in the bottle.
Maybe I should have waited and served it for dessert.
That is a warning to the OP if he should come across a bargain PN on a closeout website like I suggested above. Don’t purchase until you read the tasting notes, and if you can’t find any, don’t purchase.
Funny thing about Belle Glos - We’ve had someone stick one in a retrospective tasting a couple times. I missed the recent one, but heard it did well. A few years ago one finished first in a single blind tasting, 10 (or maybe 15) years out from the vintage. Yes, we had dread about the grotesque horror show in the lineup. The horrific wine in the lineup that everyone assumed was it, was something more moderate. Something that once its baby fat and makeup was shed, was exposed as an awkward, overripe mess. The Belle Glos had slimmed down and integrated, and did not stand out as stylistically different than wines that had been been near polar opposites on release.
Can’t generalize about other wines of theirs from that era, much less current releases, or recommend buying their wines or anything. But, it’s a lesson/reminder to consider what components of a wine fade with age, what can integrate, and what can remain. I’ve certainly had over-extracted wines with age where the fruit had faded, but the formerly masked bitter nasty extracted compounds stood as pillars in a sea of sadness.
I’ve tasted Belle Glos Pinots intentionally maybe 3 - 4 times. Never again (knowingly).
I like young Jimmy A-M. Some of his wines can be quite delicious. Can’t speak to his bargain offerings. For years, I’ve been dreading price escalations and the Napa-fication and Burg-ification of OR. It’s great news for consumers that there’s still plenty of good/excellent value Pinot for the AFWE leaning.
Siduri WV Pinot was mentioned. They have plenty of long time fans and proponents here. I bought a few vintages about 10 - 15 years ago and that was enough. Not my style. Moral of the story is taste before you buy multiples…even if it’s a splurge for expedited shipping.
I assume you mean the Helioterra. I grabbed some of the '15 at $15, and was quite happy with it. Definitely a ripe year pinot, but only within the perspective of Willamette Valley pinot, which is to say, not OTT. Should improve over time as well, it’s showing quite young and a bit tannic. They offered the '14 at $14 a couple of days later and I wish I’d grabbed some of that too.
Yes, Helioterra, I should check sources before posting. "14 and '15 were both ripe years, but '14s are drinking well much earlier than the '15s in general. The Boedecker Athena and Stewart they offered would have been good candidates. Sometimes show up again, even after being “sold out”.
Agree that '14 is drinking better early. Both show some glycerin in the texture upon opening but it seems to resolve once the wine is open awhile, making me think these wines should be fine down the line. The '14 Helioterra came with a very strange message (for WTSO anyway) saying it was one day only, and for a limited time, which is a bit redundant at least. WTSO often reloads so maybe they bought all of this that was available. In any case, I should have grabbed some of the '14 as well, the '15 is really quite good and at $15 is a lot of pinot for the price. FWIW, the winemaker seems to post here on occasion, and the consensus seems to be that she makes wines on the more AFWE side of the spectrum, which is what enticed me to buy even with the riper vintage. It was the right decision and I’ll buy more if offered.
The best Pinot Noir I’ve had for under $30 have been the '14, '15, '16 bottles of Cameron Ribbon Ridge. Have purchased at least 50 bottles, ranging from $19.50 to $23.00 from several sources. Punches way above its weight, IMO.