Best CHATEAUNEUF-DU-PAPE producers -

WINE TALK
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  • except Rayas, Beaucastel, Bonneau and Pegau
    (which are somehow out of discussion)

Would be good to name at least three - maybe 3 traditional - and 3 modern producers.

I´ll start with
(traditional):
Clos des Papes
Charvin
Bois de Boursan

Domaine du Marcoux (in between)

(modern):
Domaine de la Mordoree
Clos du Caillou
Domaine Giraud

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Vieux Telegraphe should have been there instead of Pegau anyway :slight_smile:

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Your opinion - definitely not mine …
but VT is a fine traditional producer [cheers.gif]

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THere are no modernists I like. I would, with much agreement, I expect, add Pegau to your list of traditionalists. Also Ferrand. With perhaps less agreement, I would eliminate Clos des Papes since 03 and add Eddie Feraud and Mourre du Tendre. Pierre Andre is quite variable, but in good years, I like it as well. Also Banneret.

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I would add Vieux Donjon, especially if you consider QPR.

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I have typically had good results with Les Cailloux, and Usseglio. Agree with VT and VD.

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Ferrand is a great (but small) producer … and I like Les Cailloux and (Pierre) Usseglio, although I can do without Deux Freres …
Mont Olivet should not be forgotten … and Domaine Barroche !

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From my vieux, Viex Donjon has surpassed Vieux Telegraphe in terms of consistency (if not in terms of peak quality in a great year). I have experienced some fairly uninspiring VTs in the last 10 vintages, while VD is consistently enjoyable.

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For me, VT, VD and St. Prefert, if Robert’s exceptions can’t be considered.

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Patrick, if you like prefert, try Isabelle’s Columbis. More similar terroir to Rayas but with her style. Super qpr.

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Hi John, I guess your perception comes from the fact the Vieux Donjon is ready to drink young (first 10 years)… While Vieux Telegraphe needs 10 years to be ready to drink…

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I was there tasting last week and had a great time with Isabel Ferrando. Her Colombis is fast becoming a favourite of mine. One I’ve not seen mentioned, and somewhere I visited for the first time, is Chabonniere - very impressive tasting, especially the Mourre des Pedrix.

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I’ll echo your fondness for Charbonniere Richard and particularly the Mourre des Pedrix cuvee. Visited Caroline & Veronique in June (having been there back in 2014) and they are delightful women making some very smart wines.

Your post has reminded me that I must pull out a bottle of the Prefert Colombis to try: I have bought some in the past but tucked them into the cellar and have never gotten around to opening one, so I do need to change that.

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Richard??

He’s that other Hemming MW but the writer one, not the wine merchant!!! I do get this a lot. Never sure if Rich does too, but I doubt it.

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Apologies Matthew, how on earth did I manage to do that? I have read RH on Jancis Robinson.com so definitely got my wires muddled up.

To make matters worse, I mentioned Prefert Colombis, but have remembered that it is Domaine Isabel Ferrando Colombis. Not my night!

Cheers…Mark

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Ha ha - no worries mate. Best pull a cork and sit back, eh?

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I know the track record isn’t very long but what do you think of Chapelle St Theodoric? Baptiste and Peter have made some real gems so far.

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I agree with this. Can never know for sure how they’ll age, but these are great wines from northern parcels.I wouldn’t bet against them.

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Clos Saint Jean Deus Ex Machina is quite good.

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Clos des Papes isn’t traditional anymore to my taste starting with about 2003 vintage.
No experience on Bonneau but since you’ve excluded to my mind the best three producers I’d say

Charvin
Clos des Papes before ~2003
Vieux Telegraphe

Vieux Donjon is good value.