Any "Off" or "Bad" vintages you really like?

Lauded vintages are the most talked about, but I am curious, are there any vintages that are universally looked down upon but you think are quite good?

Which vintages? Which region?

A good deal on a wine can sometimes appear in the form of an “off” vintage wine that actually tastes pretty good 20 years later.

07 and 13 burgs

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Fully agree, 2013 is a totally solid vintage and the price discounts on some top wines are still ‘uge.

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A few examples:

Red burgundy underrated vintages are 91, 00, 01, 07 and 14.

White burgundy 11, 15 and 16 are frequently dismissed but I like them a lot.

Red Bordeaux has many underrated like 88, 99, 01, 04 and 08 come to mind.

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[07 Willamette Valley as lauded in this WB thread (click here)]

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“Off or bad” and then citing really solid years that don’t happen to be lauded is more than a little joke.

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Don’t think 91 is really underrated now and you can’t find wines from that vintage except top wines for high prices. Agree to some degree on 00 and 01, but prices have come up a bit since they’re drinking well now. 14 has always been considered a good vintage if somewhat lower in price than 15.

As for Bordeaux, are folks here too young to recall actual bad years like 1992 or 1993? 1997 was mediocre at best with a very few that rose to the level of nice wines.

Citing ‘99, ‘01, ‘04, and ‘08 as off vintages displays a distinct lack of context. I might let ‘99 slide in, but the rest? No.

1998 Napa Cabs.

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I can understand this. I don’t consider them off or bad, just eclipsed by demand for vintages like '00, '05, and then the duo of '09 and '10 in the broad strokes. Doesn’t make them bad or off in my book. I’m actually fond of '04 and '01.

'99 though… yeah, I have nothing there.

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Try a ‘92 against a ‘99 and get back to me. :slight_smile:

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Sounds like it won’t be a costly experiment at least lol

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I called them underrated not bad/off. . .

But in the context of the thread it makes no sense.

Sometimes I find my perspective at odds with the critics, especially those that tend to ‘warmer/riper = better’ thinking. In such cases, their designation of off / bad vintages can be ones I’d actively seek out in preference to their favourites.

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Thank you so MUCH for sharing your brilliant insight with us! No poop emojis here! This wine pro just told us that is is OK to drink 01 and 04, but not 99. Thank you so much! Every single nugget you share with us is so precious!!!

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??? Why do you say this?

Seems pretty snarky…

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Not sure these are “off” or “bad” enough, but here we go …

2010 German Riesling
2008 red Burgundy
2014 red Bordeaux

A quick perusal of their posting history reveals this is merely par for the course.

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