After a great discussion about Meursault and Puligny Montrachet, I'm hoping peeps can discuss what a

[Peter_Chiu]

@Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow

Christophe Roumier, whose mother, a Ponnelle, bought some vines or inherited them long after divorcing his father, does have a non-star site for CC. But, like John says, it is mainly age that is required. They don’t show flashy or young vis a vis others’ examples. And, I’ve not had many mature ones. So, I am in the group that thinks it isn’t a star (though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

(though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

Stuart…sorry to post a question re above. Why such an opinion on Coche wines ? You based it on your experiences or what ?

I asked because I have only one experience with Coche white as they are so hard to get in Quebec, Canada.

[Seth_M_Long]

I’m sure some of you are aware of this project that Wildman has up on their site called the Terroir Genome Project. Super cool stuff. This link is the slow bandwidth version of an interactive view of CC with a bit of general info from Olivier Leflaive that this thread is way past, but still, the project is an awesome tool.

http://tour.frederickwildman.com/leflaive-corton-charlemagne-slow.php

Cheers!

SML

[Stuart_BeauneHead_Niemtzow]

@Peter Chiu

@Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow

Christophe Roumier, whose mother, a Ponnelle, bought some vines or inherited them long after divorcing his father, does have a non-star site for CC. But, like John says, it is mainly age that is required. They don’t show flashy or young vis a vis others’ examples. And, I’ve not had many mature ones. So, I am in the group that thinks it isn’t a star (though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

(though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

Stuart…sorry to post a question re above. Why such an opinion on Coche wines ? You based it on your experiences or what ?

I asked because I have only one experience with Coche white as they are so hard to get in Quebec, Canada.

Peter, I have always found them over the top/way too stylized and overoaked. More recognizable as Coche wines than anything else from their respective appellations. Not what I’m looking for in any wine…and , for me, unpleasant to consume, as well, as a result of all that oaky stuff and “matchstick” whatever that comes from. It is always present in peoples’ tasting notes.

I think the guy is a good farmer, though. He just goes crazy in the winery, and IMO, makes wines for impressing people. He loves to have his wines (and himself) recognized at dinners around France that highlight trophy wines…and to have his wines featured on trophy winelists. During a visit in 1992, my only one, he couldn’t stop talking about a dinner at Yquem that he was invited to. The wines I tasted in barrell then (must have been 1991, as I bought some 1990s which were in bottle then) literally nauseated me. I hated them. And, some very kind people, who have tried to change that impression (Herwig Jannsen for one) haven’t succeeded.

I also remember a 1987 Corton Charlemagne, drunk in the early 90s, that seemed the same way to me and a number of winelovers at a birthday dinner where Ampeau wines (a big contrast) stole the show.

Like you, I can’t afford them, even if I wanted to buy them. Luckily, I don’t…

[Peter_Chiu]

@Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow

@Peter Chiu

@Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow

Christophe Roumier, whose mother, a Ponnelle, bought some vines or inherited them long after divorcing his father, does have a non-star site for CC. But, like John says, it is mainly age that is required. They don’t show flashy or young vis a vis others’ examples. And, I’ve not had many mature ones. So, I am in the group that thinks it isn’t a star (though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

(though no Coche wines are stars in my galaxy; I am not a fan of what the guy does to the wines to make them in his signature style, though I recognize he does get good fruit).

Stuart…sorry to post a question re above. Why such an opinion on Coche wines ? You based it on your experiences or what ?

I asked because I have only one experience with Coche white as they are so hard to get in Quebec, Canada.

Peter, I have always found them over the top/way too stylized and overoaked. More recognizable as Coche wines than anything else from their respective appellations. Not what I’m looking for in any wine…and , for me, unpleasant to consume, as well, as a result of all that oaky stuff and “matchstick” whatever that comes from. It is always present in peoples’ tasting notes.

I think the guy is a good farmer, though. He just goes crazy in the winery, and IMO, makes wines for impressing people. He loves to have his wines (and himself) recognized at dinners around France that highlight trophy wines…and to have his wines featured on trophy winelists. During a visit in 1992, my only one, he couldn’t stop talking about a dinner at Yquem that he was invited to. The wines I tasted in barrell then (must have been 1991, as I bought some 1990s which were in bottle then) literally nauseated me. I hated them. And, some very kind people, who have tried to change that impression (Herwig Jannsen for one) haven’t succeeded.

I also remember a 1987 Corton Charlemagne, drunk in the early 90s, that seemed the same way to me and a number of winelovers at a birthday dinner where Ampeau wines (a big contrast) stole the show.

Like you, I can’t afford them, even if I wanted to buy them. Luckily, I don’t…

Stuart…thanks for the detailed explanation which I much appreciated.

When I psoted my question to you, I said…I had only one experience.

Sadly ( or perhaps I should say luckily ) it refected exactly what you had said : …as a result of all that oaky stuff and “matchstick” whatever that comes from*…

If one had to put the money in the decision of buying…my vote for the best CC goes to : Bouchard.

Let say that I am bias but I always remember what Don Cornwell had recommended :

Bouchard–best QPR: C C (incredible grand cru at 1er pricing)