A more than competent opinion on the 2017 vintage in the Champagne

In the apparent reference book ‘Vintage Champagne 1899 to 2019’ by Charles Curtis MW, the 2017 vintage is one of the few that does not receive any stars. Almost every critic has written off this vintage. Vinous, in their infinite wisdom of processing vintages into a numerical rating, gives this vintage 89 points based on their tasting of an undefined number of champagnes.

Last week, I was at a tasting with Georges Remy and Marie Noelle Ledru. Georges Remy presented his new 2020 Quatre Terroirs first, which is his best one so far. While 2018 and 2019 were enjoyable, 2020 is on a different level. We were the first to work with Georges Remy, and among all the emerging talents, we believe he is the most promising. Marie Noelle Ledru, known as the Grand Dame of grower champagne, commands incredible respect from other growers. Although there is currently a lot of hype around her champagnes, leading to exorbitant prices for new releases, her champagnes from the nineties, if they come from her cellar, possess an incredible freshness. But let’s get back on track.

During the tasting, we tried Remy’s 2017 Mont Tauxieres, which in my opinion is a monumental champagne that is now starting to open up. One attendee couldn’t believe it was from the 2017 vintage, as that year was generally considered horrible by the experts. Both Georges Remy and Marie Noelle Ledru were astonished, as it was the first time they had heard of 2017 being labeled as a bad vintage. In their opinion, it was a very good vintage.

At the tasting, three employees from Moët/Dom Pérignon were present. When asked why 2017 was considered a bad vintage, the highest-ranking individual explained, ‘In 2017, there was nothing wrong with the quality of grapes; it was the yields. A grower producer can work with 4000 kg per hectare (which was the average wieght harvested), but as a maison, we need 7000 kg per hectare. For this reason alone, we consider 2017 a bad vintage.’ (In Burgundy, 35 to 40 hectoliters per hectare are considered acceptable.)

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So it’s a bad vintage for the big guys’ wallets…

I’ve personally only tasted 4 champagnes from pure 2017, all from 4 different highly regarded growers, and they have all been super enjoyable.

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Interesting insight.

There are certain grower producers who seem to overperform in years that aren’t heralded, and even sometimes in challenging years. Cedric Bouchard and Vilmart come to mind immediately. At least, that’s my impression.

I’ve always heard that 17 wasn’t the best vintage but hardly as bad as other vintages this decade like 10-11 and 16.

The Wine Advocate gave the vintage an 87. :grinning:

Don’t wanna make sweeping generalizations about vintages but this resonates with my experiences especially with champagne from well established RMs like V&S, Vilmart, Savart, Suenen, Marguet, to name a few. The only 2017 I haven’t enjoyed is Guiborat Prism which seemed like it needed a lot more time.

Just checked… for 2017, I only had Clandestin Les Semblables and Chevalier Carkonnia. Both were good. Little dataset though :slightly_smiling_face:

I’ve only had the ‘17 Bouchard Val Vilaine. Very good as well.

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Had that 4 times in the last few months. Great wine.

Had the mont fournois 2017 bdb “cote” from mesnil this evening. Superb bdb. I’d bet a lot of money that nobody would pick it out blind in a top comtes vintages flight.

I’ve also had it and it’s good but given that it’s so singular - not to mention from the Cote des Bar which is closer to Chablis than Champagne proper - I don’t really think the conventional Champagne vintage wisdom (such as it is) applies to it (or to the rest of his lineup).

2017 Ulysse Collin Maillons is a great drink.