A classification, vintages and impressions of Loire reds

2014 Domaine Guion Bourgueil Cuvée Deux Monts

Hard to imagine a better sub-$25 bottle of wine. This is OUTSTANDING. The vintage slays. Prolly my fave Loire CF vintage since 2005 and 1989. Guion’s entire line-up in 2014 is excellent.

This is killer juice for the tariff…so classic…and 2014 is an excellent vintage for loire cf

MArcF, I just ordered a case for us to split!

Guion 2014 Bourgueil Deux Monts

So #winning.

Boooooooom :muscle:…Thanx Alfert

Some Baudrys popped up on Flatiron including 2014s.

Decanted a 2015 Antoine Sanzay Les Poyeux tonight and drank it with 30 day dry aged ribeyes from Holy Grail and WHOA is that wine delicious. SO GOOD.

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Thanks Troy, I was thinking of reviving this thread myself. That sounds excellent - I need to try some more of his wines.

I had a couple of 2010s in the last week:

Yannick Amirault Bourgueil La Petite Cave 2010
Slightly bretty at first but then a rich, deep nose of forest fruits and leather, then a thick mouthful of blackberry and blackcurrant, before a long finish of raspberry and blackcurrant. Slightly bitter mid-palate, otherwise excellent. What I like is the richness of the raspberry combined with a certain restraint, which stops it from being overblown. It still needs a bit more time - the fruit is a little narrow in profile.

Domaine Filliatreau Saumur-Champigny Vieilles Vignes 2010

Fresh aromas of spring flowers and cherry, then a mouthful of crunchy red berries, before the dominating taste of sour cherries and strawberry.
At first, this was somewhat unpleasant, with an unattractive coarseness to the fruit, but it had greatly improved on the second night.
In style, it is very similar to a Roches-Neuves, which I was not expecting - but without the same finesse and complexity. It is however much cheaper, so quite a good bet.

Tasting the two side by side there was no comparison - the Amirault was clearly superior.

Looking back to the “classification” we drew up in January 2020, I think that Filliatreau is a couple of rungs too high.

With hindsight I think Howard Cooper was right that the Loire is more suited to a Burgundian classification than a Bordelais one, since there are so many different cuvées from the same producers, without a clear hierarchy. For example, which Roches-Neuves or which Joguet, or even which Baudry is the best? Hard to say! Personally I would put Les Mémoires, Chêne Vert and Les Grézeaux at the top respectively, but it’s a matter of opinion and personal taste, unlike in Bordeaux where the Grand Vin is always the best. Anyway, I don’t think Filliatreau is as good overall as Roches-Neuves.

I was watching out for Sanzay’s Les Poyeux 2018 for months (his other wines of this vintage are available since at least half a year). At last, this week I saw it at a retailer and bought a case

I cannot see where this producer is available in the US except for a 2014 magnum.

Looking on WS I found several in California, so there must be some elsewhere! They’re not cheap but I’m sure you would like his wines.

Speaking of 2014 the Olga Raffault Picasses is not to be missed.

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Have been watching for 2018s as well and not seen any. I fear they were largely skipped due to the tariff war and the next vintage we’ll see widely available will be the 19s.

Honestly, best in a very long time

Second this. Made a couple of friends by it as well.

Pretty sure they’ve been offered by Envoyer; maybe reach out to Greg to ask if he has any left?

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I’ll have to track down some Sanzay when the opportunity arises–I’ve been sitting on a decent lode of Baudry, Joguet and a tiny bit of Rougeard for about 10 years and haven’t felt the need to refill my Loire holdings yet.

Certainly the Sanzay pricing/availability is much more favorable than Rougeard Poyeux these days. I paid $63 for a bottle of 2005 Rougeard Poyeux back in 2009–that was a lot for me back then . . . . glad I made that buy! Sanzay seems to be now about where Rougeard was 10-15 years ago price-wise.

I recently posted a note (https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3250042) on the Baudry 2009 Croix Boissee, which I should have posted here in hindsight. Here’s the TN:

  • 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (4/24/2021)
    This bottle was lovely. A real bouquet, mixing sous bois (forest floor), olive, and black currant–very savory proto Cab Franc, really striking a great, precise varietal and region-accurate balance. There is a rare suppleness and mid-palate elegance–not just for Chinon but really any wine–on top of the very typical fresh black fruit, minerality and earth flavors. Medium bodied. Tannins are on path to resolution, not quite there yet, and are ripe, fine and silky. Drinking beautifully now, though no rush to open and worth sampling over the next decade.

Kudos to the 2012 version of myself for acquiring and patiently cellaring this and other late aughts Baudry Chinons :slight_smile:

Baudry’s Croix Boissee is going to hit three figures immediately after Loire gets attention from wine geeks with money, which is why I’ve been buying more than I normally would. It’s an incredible wine that is (severely) underpriced for the quality in the bottle.

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No argument with you on that statement. The threat of a major, and justifiable, run up in price is real–the 50% price increase over about a decade is already significant.

Since my cellar space is modest and my recent interests are skewing to Syrah and Nebbiolo, I’ve tapered on Loire buys. Croix Boissee at around $50 currently for essentially a best-in-class cuvee is an excellent value, yet also runs into a competitive price range with many superb wines that, however, are not region benchmarks.

So I suppose my view is that it would be/will be unfortunate to be priced out of something I like. But it’s a big wine world where there is always a new guard of producers or a rejuvenated region where value is stronger (until it isn’t [cheers.gif] )

Over here, Baudry and Alliet’s release prices have been more or less the same since the 2015 vintage, whereas others, such as Joguet or Germain, can be found cheaper at auction two or three years after release.
Older vintages of La Croix Boissée sell for about double the current price, but there has been no increase at auction for more recent ones.

I think some wines will certainly shoot up in price but it’s hard to tell which ones - I never expected Clos Nouveau by Gauthier to rocket in the way it has.

As for the rest, well the recent (and ongoing) string of six fine vintages means that there’s an awful lot of good wines around, so it’s hard to see why there should be massive spikes in the future. 2009 and 2010 sell for premiums because they stick out like sore thumbs!