9 magnums poured blind at dinner on a lawn overlooking the ocean and a shocking surprise where the US sparkling wine overshadows its Champagne based house, Roederer, plus, Rodez BdN, 3 whites and 6 reds including Vieux Telegraphe, Guigal and LDH

Our Wednesday night wine dinner group enjoyed a fabulous evening on the outside lawn of the private home of the caterer we engaged to do our dinner.

The setting was magnificent for the 16 of us who were seated at a long rectangular table on the edge of the property which sits about a mile island and high enough above the coastline to provide a view of the ocean and the channel islands in the background.


From one end


From the opposite end




Our wine theme was to do magnums for all wines and to taste them blind by covering all bottles in aluminum foil. Due to the amount of wine per bottle, we extended our invites to include spouses and significant others and we had 6.

As usual, we discussed each wine and were obviously challenged to ID the varietal{s], types and sources and to have the input of some who are not usually in attendance made for an extra interesting and informative evening.

In all, we had 3 sparkling wines, 3 white wines and 6 red wines, all in magnums and wrapped in foil. The foil was effective in disguising all but one bottle and that was my bring, a Cristal, with the telltale clear glass just barely peaking out the top to allow it to be poured without passing over aluminum, if the flat bottom wasn’t enough of a giveaway.

Our host/ chef employed 2 servers/ pourers and created an amazing meal. Here’s the menu:

We poured the sparkling wines and whites with the starters.

2009 LOUIS ROEDERER CRISTAL BRUT in magnum- blind, sort of.
The last time I sampled this vintage was in July 2023 and it was also in a magnum format; it was at that time I communicated with the house to learn it was this vintage that was the first one the year was shown outside of the oval logo in the center of the label; the next vintages to do so was 2008 which was released after the 2009 and the 2002 Late Release which was the only other one to do so to this point.

The blend for the 2009 is a slight deviation from the usual 60/40 having 55% Pinot Noir and 45% Chardonnay, all from their oldest, mostly bio-dynamically farmed estate vineyards out of 7 grand cru villages, plus Mareuil-sur-AĆæ; it was dosed at 9.5 gpl.

Every bottle I’ve had has been terrific since the initial release being rich and creamy with lots of complexity, focused acidity, toasty brioche and a wondrous mousse; this bottle was way different; I found it to be very tight and surmised it was in a valley fully knowing it has all of the stuffing to please immensely when it reaches its peak; but, how long will it take before it gets there?; the initial sampling on this occasion was more about elegance and charm and balance while giving up mild fresh lemon and lime notes from the nose through the tail; about an hour later, I re-visited it and found it to be much more expressive with more body, depth and substance while still maintaining nice balance; so, I am super optimistic for this to deliver immense pleasure in the future if this bottle was in deed representative of where the champagne is now or just a bottle variation.

When we went around the table to discus it, one couple nailed it and all who knew Cristal is bottled in a clear glass bottle {and with a flat bottom} already had the house pegged. I seem to remember there are a few others that use clear glass and I may have to seek one out for a future blind tasting to keep everyone in check, Drappier’s Grande Sendree being one.

2013 ROEDERER ESTATE L’ERMITAGE ANDERSON VALLEY BRUT in magnum- blind; 52% Chardonnay (including 4% reserve wine from the 2011 vintage) with 48% Pinot Noir dosed at 8 gpl; for me, this was a step up from the Cristal having just a bit more of everything albeit in a youthful, playful, fresh and crisp place; the fruit profile included savory honey coated lemon, orange, honeydew melon and mango with an underlying level of acidity; it had some body and substance and was very pleasing. Somewhere deep in my memory banks, this resonated and was mindful of many past bottles as it used to be our house bubbly; so, I took the chance of calling it at least the Roederer Estate without any assuredness and lo and behold. Lucky guess and a win for the new world release over an old world classic.

NV ERIC RODEZ GRAND CRU BLANC de NOIRS BRUT in magnum- blind; the label did not provide any details, but a recent release was comprised of 100% Ambonnay Pinot Noir sourced from 11 vineyards with an average vine age of 39 years; the blend consists of 24% 2012, 29% 2011, 14% 2010, 11% 2009, 13% 2008 and 9% 2007; 90% was vinified in barrels; 10% got malolactic fermentation; 4% gpl dosage; the Pinot Noir profile was well represented here with ripe red cherry/ berry noticeable in the nose along with some white flowers and on the palate along with some minerals, spice and citrus; it was crisp and balanced with subtle oak influence and seemingly having a low dosage. I had no idea as to what it was, but did think NV and Pinot Noir dominate, but not 100%.



2014 DOMAINE CHRISTOPHE et FILS FOURCHAUME CHABLIS 1er Cru in magnum- blind; following its medium yellow color came aromas of green and yellow apple with the latter more prominent; once tasted, some lemon zest joined in along with a coat of honey and a streak of minerals; it was delightfully elegant and easy on the palate and I was guessing it to be a white Burgundy {not Chablis}, but once revealed and noting the absence of any flint or petrol I would never have got it.

2010? CANTINA TERLAN VORBERG RISERVA PINOT BIANCO in magnum- blind; I did not find the vintage on the front label and am not sure I heard it right when it was announced; this wine comes from a cooperative founded in the late 19th century in the Alto Adige DOC zone in Northeastern Italy with a strong Austrian influence; the wine itself was pretty intense; it had a medium green yellow color and aromas of petrol, minerals and flint laced pineapple, tangerine and guava that continued on with a bit if sweetness and being delivered in an oily, viscus textured medium; it also had a buttery component that added to its allure; I guessed it was Viognier, some had it as Marsanne, Roussanne and another had it as a white Burg.

2005 DOMAINE des BAUMARD SAVENNIERES in magnum- blind; 100% Chenin Blanc from a tiny region located on the northern banks of the Loire River, just across from the town of Rochefort Sur Loire; the blind format made for an interesting evaluation on this wine as well, as it had an unfamiliar profile that made it difficult for me to ID the varietal and its place of origin; the nose was muted, but on the palate, it had some glycerin, flint and mineral accented tangerine with a honey sweetener topping; the minerality was mild and therefore atypical for this Chenin if I have that right; I was stumped and heard other’s equally puzzled as to what we had here, but it was real good and that was enough. From the producer’s website: ā€œThe 2005 vintage is a bit richer and softer than the 2004, having undergone partial ML fermentation and carrying a couple grams of residual sugarā€ which I did not detect.

We moved on to 6 reds, all also poured blind and in magnum format. They were paired with the mains of which there were 2 fine courses:

2015 DOMAINE DROUHIN-LAROZE CLOS de VOUGEOT GRAND CRU in magnum- blind; classic Pinot Noir here with the bright red purple color, a nose full of cherries and berries and a nice fruity, easily approachable palate experience aided by a silky mouthfeel; it was enhanced by a streak of spice and a whiff of smoke; this was an excellent wine in nice balance with some depth and complexity and I called it old world Pinot.

2018 DOMAINE du VIEUX TELEGRAPHE FAMILLIE BRUNIER CHATEAUNEUF-du-PAPE in magnum- blind; this is comprised of 65% Grenache Noir, 15% MourvĆØdre, 15% Syrah, 5% Cinsault and Clairette; our bottle was very fruit forward with burnt red cherry {jujube} most prominent; it was spicy good and silky smooth and I was all over the place trying to ID it, but settled on just liking it and being real curious as to what it was.

2005 E. GUIGAL HOMMAGE a ETIENNE GUIGAL COTE ROTIE in magnum- blind; this was a real treat featuring a soft and smooth textured wine that offered slightly sweetened and coffee accented red, blue and dark fruit with blueberry being most evident; it was mellow and yet had layers of depth with an interesting shift from cherry to blueberry to blackberry; I had no clue as to what it was, thinking it might be a new world, cool climate Syrah.

2016 CHARLES JOGUET CHINON CLOS du CHENE VERT in magnum- blind; 100% Cabernet Franc; I did not get the varietal thinking it was Cabernet, but loved the wine; it had a dark, youthful, vibrant red purple color; the nose included serious aromas of dried cherry/ berry with some tar and smoke {or was it coming from the nearby wood fired oven as other wines were also smoke laden?}; it was rich and full bodied and yet was graceful enough having some finesse and charm.

2010 DOMAINE MICHEL & STEPHANE OGIER d’AMPUIS COTE ROTIE in magnum- blind; this spice bomb had some cinnamon accented dark fruit with blackberry most prominent; it was really tasty and impressive with its youthful vibrance and yet mature stature; it was super spicy and for me, not to a fault. Once, revealed, I saw this was another unknown producer to me that makes some impressive wines and, as with the many others on this night, I was grateful for the bring as it was one of my favs.

2005 R. LOPEZ de HEREDIA VINA TONDONIA RESERVA RIOJA in magnum- blind; although the label does not state such, I initially believed this was the Gran Reserva having recalled a conversation with Monica Nogues, of Think Global Wines and a close friend of the winery; but I have now confirmed with her it is in fact a Reserva; I loved the wine as I always have even though it was blind and I did not recognize it; it had a myriad of aromas and flavors including mint dark chocolate, coffee, licorice and yes, the smoke note; blackberry and black raspberry were the key fruit notes and its hallmark may have been its iron fist in a velvet glove persona. I had a lot of favs on the night and this was in the top 3.

And a great night it was. It was fun to have the spouses and significant others who jumped right in and shared their impressions and insights.

And, we were royally taken care of and treated to an excellent al fresco dinner with ocean and mountain views during sunset hours.

Cheers,
Blake

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Damn! Roederer Estate beating-out Cristal. Don’t see that every day! :flushed:

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STUNNING!
And Bravo of course.
Great theme, great wines.

My2Ā¢:

I’ve had Cristal about 10 times, some stunning, but not all and (heresy ahead) it may be overrated.
I’ve had Roederer Hermitage about 10 times, some stunning, but not all and I’ve always found it underrated. In short, no surprise here for me.
I’ve never had this Chablis grower, but 2014 is a vintage that usually screams Chablis.
The Terlan Vorbourg is for me one of the greatest almost unknown wines on the planet. I’ve had half a dozen vintages, not the '10, but usually it has not been oily or viscous. Maybe an unusually ripe vintage here?
Again, Baumard Savennieres is usually quite dry, even chalky, but again a very ripe vintage.
I won’t comment much on the reds, other than that Lopez Heredia is consistently great.
What a great evening!

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Hey Blake …, What makes this a rare wine ? How does it differ from the other/regular bottling of 2018 VT?

Well the 09 Cristal is pretty disappointing IME. I drank through my sixer pretty quickly with no desire to reload. It was good on release, but there’s a reason they released it before the 08. It’s gone downhill over the years. The RosĆ© on the other hand was quite good.

Much prefer 06/07 Salon if you are looking for ā€œoff vintageā€ charm.

How was the food? I really like both Amy and her husband quite a bit . . .

Cheers

09 Cristal in mag simply isn’t ready. I’ve had it a few times recently and it just shouldn’t be opened yet.

It needs probably 5 years. If you’re going to open any Cristal in mag I’d open 02 or maybe 06. I’ve had some excellent bottles of 09 in 750 recently. Still have quite a few, and am happy about that.

Also keep in mind magnums are on the lees a couple years longer.

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An early look at the 2018 Vorberg undoubtedly corroborates that pronouncement.

VT makes a cuveĆ© d’Hippolyte, which I have never had. However the label looks different from the standard label. The label above looks like a standard label though.

I think Cristal is making the best wines of any of the big houses right now. From 08 onwards really 15 is the only vintage you could call weak. One could argue Salon has also done very well but the wines are 3x the price and not necessarily better.

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Fun stuff as always Blake. Love the insistence on blind tasting as it can really help to reduce biases.

I have brought the RE L’ermitage to multiple blind tastings and it is 99% of the time chosen as the favorite and never picked as new world. Awesome stuff but they are raising prices rapidly.

The Ogier, same wine but in normal bottle size, was a winner recently in another blind tasting here. It came off quite flamboyant but terribly good!

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I don’t have your experience, but do you think Cristal is consistently better than DP, PR SWC, and Grande Annee?
In particular, the few times I’ve had it I have found Grande Annee compelling right on release.

Yes, definitely. Cristal is also much better in recent years than it’s been in the past; they’ve recently switched to 100% organic farming. Newer vintages are just stunning. I’ve said several times that we had 96/97 salon side by side a few months ago and 13 Cristal was drinking better than both imo.

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Hi Blake,

it is possible it is not be the Gran Reserva. Attached is a photo of the 2001 Reserva and the 2001 Tondonia Gran Reserva.

All my Gran Reservas have the Consecha de 2001 (or what ever the vintage is) in white underneath the black strip.

Also here in NZ, the importer/distributor/retailer (same guy) only gets his annual allocation of Gran Reservas 20 years from vintage. We have not yet gotten the 2025 offering yet, so not 2005 GR yet. Timing may well be different in USA.

I am not certain about this but I suspect this is the regular Reserva. A very fine wine also

cheers Brodie

The usual caveat to everyone: Try stuff, like what you like, find the right pairing to your palate :smiling_face:

Vintages matter, how much time the bottle has opened matters (often expensive champagnes get served too cold & with not enough time being opened), but if you can find your favorite vintage(s) of Big Houses, a lot of us would prioritize Cristal… Maybe not everyone? But a lot of us.

(Shrugs)

Terms like ā€˜overrated’ or ā€˜inconsistent’ or what have you get occasionally thrown out on the Champagne discussions. None of us make these wines, though, so in theory don’t need to stand on ceremony :wink:

In May, Michael & I (and a few other Pittsburgh folks) had 13 Cristal, 13 Dom, 12 Dom, 14 Vilmart Emotion. Michael & I (and maybe the others?) would rate the 13 Cristal highest, but the 12 Dom showed very, very well. Anybody picks that as Champagne of the evening? No worries, no need to rationalize.

Heck, even if someone picked the Emotion as their favorite Champagne, no worries, as stylistically it was a Rose and a good transition Champagne from whites into Reds. And a very good wine in its own right. We could analyze differences in ā€˜refinement’ or texture, but palates differ on these things (even if the analytics might be slightly more objective. Slightly.)

The 2013 Dom did not seem in a good place (that bottle anyway), so if you had both Doms and said ā€œthis is my preferred House styleā€ even with the 13 being a bit clunky, I suppose I’d raise an eyebrow?

On the recent Cristal spectrum, I think 2009 & 2012 are the two which seem to really spark conversation or wide ranging opinions these last 18 months on the ā€œWhat Champagne are you drinkingā€ thread. If I were going to ā€˜promote’ Cristal over those other Big House wines, I’d choose 13/14 or something 2006 & older. And not 2004.

That said, Dan, I’ve certainly met other folks that think Cristal gets ā€˜overrated’ because of name recognition & texture, people who drink a lot of good wines. It’s not unheard of.

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The Roederer Estate L’Ermitage LD is another beast that barely anyone knows. IMO it can beat Cristal easily.

Also, Blake, my Venetian boat partner is looking stunning :ok_hand:

Thanks for the beautiful pictures & I’m so glad to see you & Ro out in such a marvelous environment. Looks tremendous.

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My thoughts:

Great notes and pictures!

I too am wondering what is the rare attribute of that Vieux Telegraphe bottling. Although I will admit I have not tasted/tried/cellared recent vintages.

Hi Jeff,

The one who brought it represents this producer and if I understood him correctly, he said this is made from a small family vineyard in small quantities and rarely seen in the US. There was more stated, but I did not get it and now I’m inclined to go back for more info.