I think what’s becoming very clear is that you drink a lot of bad white Burgundy. I’m very sorry about this (why would you drink Prieur Puligny??), but if you’d like to find some good white Burgundy to drink, you’re welcome to PM me for suggestions. Happy to help, but don’t want to derail the thread.
As for your recommendations, I’m quite happy to not drink “highly decadent” wines like von Winning. Of all the suggestions, good grief.
James - first off many of us do travel to Germany regularly. I spent over two weeks in just the Mosel and Saar in August tasting and visiting estates every day and night. And I would be very surprised if you could suggest many, if any at all, top producers I don’t know about.
So lets see through source | material we have offered wines from Baden, Franken, Obermosel, Saxony, Saale-Unstrut and Württemburg and of course the Mosel, Nahe, Pfalz, Rheingau, Ruwer, Rheinhessen and Saar just in the last year.
I can’t recall anything from the Ahr.
How about you give us just one region that is not on this list where we should be searching…
Guess what…von Winning and Gut Hermannsberg are both already imported into the USA. Skurnik/Theise started bringing in von Winning more than a decade ago.
I have bought some von Winning in the past. I don’t anymore, as it’s a style I do not care for in Riesling. I have a little Gut Hermannsberg in the cellar, but haven’t opened any of it yet.
Personally, I like von Winning as a change of pace. I don’t really buy more because of the price and the difficulty storing the bottles. The first time I had one, I was like WTF but have developed an appreciation for what they are and take the wines on their terms.
I know what you mean. I opened a higher-end one not with a group of rieslings but with a group of high end white burgs and found a new level of appreciation for the wines.
My comment was really directed towards von Winning being some kind of “unknown” producer - I see them in the States all the time. It’s a bit like suggesting you have knowledge about new and hitherto unknown Burgundy producers like Claude Dugat (who, as it happens, influenced Von Winning’s style).
Not every von Winning wines are vinified in Burgundy style. There are some quite weird stuff in their lineup like heavily oaked Sauvignon Blancs but they also produce very good Ortswein & Erste Lage wines which are not heavy, oaky or pricey at all (around €13 to €15 from cellar door) and along with Mosbacher’s Erste Lage bottlings are actually one of the best bargains among Pfalz’s vdp producers year in - year out . All Winning GGs (except Marmar & Ozyetra) are vinified in 500l barrel and stays extended 1.5 years on lees too (2020 not will be released until next year) so oak should not be so opulent. But surely their style in GGs are still different than many other traditional producer and sometimes a bit too much but wines do age very well too and as I wrote before wines below GG-level are completely different thing.
Why didn’t you ask first? You asked for regions, not producers.
Anyways, Griesel is not only among the best producers of Hessische Bergstraße, but also one of the best sparkling wine producers in the whole Germany. I’m not that keen on German sparkling wines, as I’m quite partial to Champagne and the best bubblies that come from Catalonia, but those Griesel’s wines I’ve tasted have left me quite impressed.
Kloster Ebercah makes some nice wines in Hessische Bergstraße as well, but I wouldn’t count them as particularly interesting, just nice and often very affordable for the quality.
Opened 2020 Stein Palmberg Spatlese Feinherb Alte Reben last night. Just arrived in the US. Really integrates after an hour of air. Beautiful shape to this wine. Real sève. This was a sample bottle, and tonight (day 2 open) I decide whether to load up.
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