So we just opened 16 and 17s last week from a producer and vineyard that is generally thought to need a lot of time, Mongeard Mugneret Grands Echezeaux.
Both of the wines were actually reasonably open, but the 17 was much more open than the 16, and had much more fruit. Neither wine was particularly closed, but I didn’t get the big structure I was expecting from it. You can read our notes here.