I like the Dollar sign Smith name given to you because it fits. Spend everything you have on top notch producers and vintages!
As for the above comment, Burgundy seldom suffers from “underripe vegetal” wines these days. That image has not really fit for over a decade, so not sure who’s feeding you such rubbish, but it’s definitely not from the critics you so admire.
Actually, not like this at all. But, the response makes absolute sense given your approach.
There is a lot of nuance being lost in dollar sign’s post. Are you improving your odds by buying the best producers in the best vintages? Of course; that’s a truism. But it is also the best way to spend a ton of money, some variable portion of each dollar going to a vintage/label premium. If you know what you are doing (or are ignorant like me, but, like me, stalk the right people here and elsewhere) you can find really good wine, from someone not named Roumier, in good-but-not-great vintages that perform just as well. Even in 2004 and 2011 there were good wines made.
It never ceases to amaze me (a) that some people get their jollies by making inflammatory statements online to, and about, people they don’t know; and (b) how quickly some people take offense to what is said by people who don’t matter to them even a little bit. My unsolicited advice would be calm down. None of this matters.
Hope that doesn’t break your heart Dollar Sign
Its like speaking to my teenage kids here. You tell them to stay safe, be cautious and not just explore as it can be very costly. Somehow, I have someone hurt their feelings, don’t know anything or am money minded. Go ahead, wander about and explore; but don’t come crying with a post like the OP. Stick to the rules, you will be just fine.
By the way, welcome to the community.
It never ceases to amaze me which posts go ignored and which posts end up garnering 45 posts like this unassuming one from Dan. By “unassuming” I mean no sensationalist “Wowsers”, “Jeepers” or “Holy Batmans” and no "Does anyone know where I can hire a helicopter to land at Screagle? stuff. And what happens in these threads to make them so lively? They go sideways. Now personally I buy by vintage and then buy based on trusted names in the bottom-feeder zone and I am content that my strategy pays off well enough for my needs, wants, and desires not to mention keeping the family financially solvent.
Dan, you’re one of my favorite posters. I find your notes to always be interesting. Most times they get little or no response. Like mine which get no response because the are largely invalid and/or boring. Happy for you sir.
“That is not what I meant at all;
That is not it, at all.”
Jim, thank you. It’s more like a large family gathering, you say something innocuous but somehow everything is your fault.
Only the stuff that is your fault is your fault.
Not Jadot, but I do have a case of Pavelot’s Dominode from '11. One of the very few I bought in any quantity. Hopefully Jean-Hughes was more successful, as I haven’t touched any yet.
Thanks for the note Dan.
Not sure why everyone’s giving John such a hard time. We should all be thanking him for encouraging people to chase overpriced, overhyped wines, leaving us to buy good stuff at more sensible prices.
I love Pavelot’s Dominode, though I haven’t had the 2011. Post a note, please, when you open one!
Thanks for all of the replies, especially the kind ones.
I’m only a little surprised that this post generated so many responses. The surprise is because I tend to post on wines that are not the board’s most popular. The limited surprise because Burgundy is a board fascination.
I had mixed feelings about JOhn $mith’s original post. I don’t mind saying that I find his name and his way of presenting it a little irritating. I also felt it was more of a lecture than I like to receive, especially from somebody whose possible expertise and credentials are a blank. OTOH, I find his overall point reasonable. Of course it’s better to spend $100 on a good bottle than $50 each on two bad bottles (and there’s no place in the world of wine where it’s easier to spend $50 each on two bad bottles). But I have to note that even in the (apparently now a standard descriptor) ‘minefield’ of Burgundy, I find it easy to find plenty of fine, fully mature wine for under $50. Of course, that’s fine only in my opinion and only based on almost 50 years of tasting the stuff, most of that as a professional.
Although I support my family by importing and selling wine, only a tiny percentage is Burgundy. As a percentage, I drink far, far more of the stuff than I sell (maybe 1-2% of my business, 10+% of my consumption).
to Mitch Tallan - Our Burgundy buying strategy is literally identical.
To C McCart - I hope your Pavelot turns out well. In my limited experience, this is both a fine and consistent producer. Much as I’ve loved Jadot for decades, I’ve found them increasingly weak in weaker vintages. As per my original post, I would never have bought this bottle except it was part of a very mixed case I was offered with lots of other things I wanted (and the price was very reasonable). Odds with Pavelot are probably a lot better.
To julianseersmartin - This was my only bottle. I have enough experience to really doubt that this would improve, but also enough experience to know I could be completely wrong.
Dan Kravitz
Pavelot Dominode’s are allright. But i think the market has priced it correctly. A 1er cru that hits like a just below average village.
Dan,
(1) The value of your posts is not measured in the number of responses ; you probably know this. Please continue; you probably would anyway.
(2) Now that might make an interesting segment to post about especially the “mature” ready to go ones. Some on this board (>=1) consider $50 towards the upper range of what we spend on a bottle of wine, and probably most would be interested in hearing about some picks in this price range.
Cheers,
-Jim
Seven years of age is a risky time to open Burgundy, especially one that doesn’t have the stuffing to avoid shutting down.
BTW I don’t see Jadot, nor SLB as being inferior, just not top tier. 2011 is fine if you pick carefully and don’t expect it to cellar for a very long time.
Savigny is fertile ground for bargain hunters. The top producers make really lovely wines in good vintages. And no (or diminished) label premium
I think cdb reds in general with the exception of Lafarge, angerville, and a few others are in general great values.
It’s more like being a guest at another family’s gathering, making broad and judgmental statements without knowing much about your audience, and then being surprised that the statements drew a reaction. You don’t know enough about some of the people you are interacting with to appreciate how presumptuous and condescending some of your comments are.
Great, so its not what I say but how I say it. OK, OK.
Why do I care, load up on 2011, maybe some 04s while you are at it. Leave the 2015s for us…