I have read and experienced many strange things about this vintage - some folks say the GCs need 5-10 more years than now. I tried a '05 Charles Noellat Chorey-Les-Beaune villages the other day and it was tight as a drum, totally shut down, which is shocking to me (as a newcomer to trying burg) given it’s a “village” wine. How much air is everyone giving these? Any differences between appellations/producers?
Producer producer producer.
That being said. 05s still feel relatively coiled.
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I fear some of these wines are just poor and will never come around.
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Did this vintage ever drink well or was it closed down hard at the outset?
Many 2005 burgs have always needed 5-10 more years.
We did have a lovely 2005 Trapet Gevrey village last night, so maybe that 5-10 more years is real now? Or maybe not, who knows.
It was great on release and some producers’ wines are starting to come around (e.g., Drouhin)
But many are still shut down though I think it’s more producer by producer than GC vs 1er vs village
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I assume you’re asking about the reds? The vintage in general showed great on release by the time the wines arrived in the 07-08 timeframe, the fruit had a sorbet like energy to it with lots of depth. Reviews by BurgHound and Tanzer and others were all extremely positive with quotes like “load up”, “back up the truck” etc. The wines shut down pretty hard after maybe 5 years and many remain stubbornly closed after 20 years. I took the advice and backed up the truck, and am patiently waiting holding on to a big stash. Every now and then I open a bottle that is ready to drink after a decant (e.g. Cathiard Malconsorts, Maume Mazis, Lafarge Volnay), but most are still not ready to go.
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They were exceptional on release and whenever we saw an ’05 in a blind line-up for 10-15 years after release, they were usually easy to spot. They were often the best wine, so deep and powerful but also perfumed and balanced. The colour will usually give an ’05 away, very dark. It was a great year to buy Bourgogne as the concentration elevated these wines. I kind of feel like the wines have shut down, and we all say they have on this board, but if I think about some recent experiences the wines have still provided pleasure. It is a very good vintage, and the wines are far from their apogee.
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And always will 
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I’ve had some 05s that have drank reasonably well lately, as well as some that have been completely shut down. I’m just waiting on my better bottles.
a not too recent (about 6 months ago) 2005 Fourrier Gevrey VV was wide open and fantastic.
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- 2005 Mugneret Gibourg NSG ‘Chaignots’
- 2005 Bouchard Le Corton
- 2005 Maume Mazis (mentioned above)
- 2005 Bertheau Bonnes Mares
- 2005 Clavelier VR ‘Beaumonts’’
- 2005 Jadot Corton Pougets
- 2005 Pousse d’Or Volnay ‘60 Ouvrees’
- 2005 Jadot Beaune ‘Ursules’
- 2005 Roty Charmes Chambertin TVV
Have all been wide open, and in the zone.
Not so sure about the 2005 Jadot Bonnes Mares which I sold to the OP, that one might take a littie while longer.
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Also had a great Ursules recently; everything you could ask for in aged Burgundy.
Another Beaune wine that is pretty open and really good is the 2005 Bouchard Teurons
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The thing with red Burgundy is that it doesn’t age in a linear fashion and things such as drinking windows are about as useless as tits on a bull. 2005, in particular, is a vintage that if you subscribe to the theory that Bourgogne needs 4 years, Village 6, 1er Cru 8 and Grand Cru 10 to be right in the zone, then you will be disappointed. Some wines are ready, many are not. Some Grand Crus are beautiful now; some Village wines are tight as a drum. Some producer’s wines are opulent and fleshy, some are minerally and demure. That’s Burgundy folks and the fact that it is not one size fits all is amplified in a year like 2005.
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Yeah that’s the point of the red burgundy vintages thread, although as I said earlier you need to take data points with a grain of salt unless you know the palate of the person writing the note.
Paul, what is your tannin tolerance like? I will readily admit that I’m not too averse to firm tannins (I happily drink Nebbiolo younger than 50 years from time to time) mostly because I’m focused on aromatics. On the other hand, I know tasters like @J.Durham who are much more aware of structure than I am naturally, so I have to focus on that element independently for a decent assessment. The reason I ask is because you’ve listed a range of wines, from north to south, many of which (BM, Corton, Pommard, etc) are known for being dense, structured wines. A lot of us went through the gauntlet (more fun, but you know what I mean) of Napa → Bordeaux → Burgundy and I think that enjoying the profile (ripeness, aromas, etc) can bring a lot of pleasure regardless of structure.
I recently finished reading “Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman and in it he suggests that having a positive outlook on the world is among the best things you could hope for your children because it means they will generally have a good experience regardless of circumstance. I’m wondering if you and I have that for wine? 
cheers
Unfortunately it looks like my daughter has inherited my extreme almost Russian level of cynicism 
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It was stunningly beautiful at the outset, and the wine boards were full of posts about how:
- They’re so freaking good they’re never gonna shut down
- They’re gonna shut down hard for a long time and all you fools are going to lose patience and give up on them
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Fourrier Clos St Jacques 2005 was great last week, with outstanding finesse among other Gevreys …
Clavelier Beaumonts 2005 was still a bit tight 6 weeks ago …
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