1991 Jamet

[R_Greene]

I agree with you Angelo, but the market value may be higher than we think. I was watching the lot live. If I remember correctly, there were more than a few bidders willing to pay big money and bidding it up.

But you’re right; it’s highly doubtful that $2000 is the current market value of 1991 Jamet. But one could argue that market value is what one is willing to spend (or perhaps many), and with such low supply, it could be a lot higher than we all think.

[john_stimson]

@R Greene

While I was very surprised by the price of the 1991 Jamet (actually, the most elevated price of the HDH auction IMO), prices were pretty crazy throughout the auction. 89 La Mission went for $1,400 a bottle, 89 Palmer went for $500, 83 Mouline went for over $1,500, and I won’t even go into the Burgundy. There are simply more buyers right now willing to spend crazy money. I’ve noticed that Rhone prices have gone pretty nuts in the last few auctions (especially Jamet, Rayas/Pignan/Fonsalette, Guigal, Chave). 90 Chave went for a crazy price yesterday, at least $500 per bottle OVER what it was a year ago. Maybe it’s the Burgundy crowd moving over to Rhone.

In all seriousness, I don’t see these Rhone prices going down. These wines are hard to find right now. There are no 91 Jamet wines available on wine-searcher, and even though Rare Wine has 98 Jamet, they only have one bottle. And they’re selling 99 Jamet (not Brune) for $475! Maybe they’ve taken notice.

Ryan–I think the one bottle available thing at Rare Wine means that they’ll only sell one bottle to each individual, not that that’s their entire supply.

[R_Greene]

Thanks, John. It looks like that they do limit to one per customer.

[Faryan_Amir-Ghassemi]

We’re getting pretty late in the cycle huh

[patrick_c_albright]

Which auction house?

@D. HEIN

Thank you Fu!

Spoke to an Auction house, six weeks past, and they speculated that the 91 Jamet would escalate to $80,000 for an original, OCB (12 .750s), within the next ten years!!!

1991-The greatest Cote Rotie I’ve tasted from this estate, the 1991 Cote Rotie is utterly profound and flirts with perfection. Compared to the 2001 by Jean-Paul (I think it’s a fair click better), it is as seamless, layered and complex as they come, with phenomenal notes of black raspberries, cassis, olive tapenade, incense and bacon fat all soaring from the glass. Full bodied, beautifully concentrated and textured, it’s a heavenly Cote Rotie to drink anytime over the coming decade (although why wait). Drink now to 2025. Last tasted 12/15. Rating, 99. J. Dunnuck.

Oh for those who have patience and trusted the MAN!

[A_So]

HDH

[patrick_c_albright]

HDH told someone that a case of 1991 Jamet would be worth $80000-- in ten years?

[R_Greene]

@patrick c albright

HDH told someone that a case of 1991 Jamet would be worth $80000-- in ten years?

That’s crazy; it won’t be worth a penny over $50000.

[A_So]

@patrick c albright

HDH told someone that a case of 1991 Jamet would be worth $80000-- in ten years?

Oh that wasn’t HDH. I missed your quote below. Sorry

[ryancurry]

I’d take the under on that bet…

[paulbortin]

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

[Jay_Miller]

@p@ulbortin

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

Yes, that was Steve Plotnicki. Stuart Yaniger opened one for him and he went on a quest for it, driving up auction prices to what then seemed absurd levels but now seem cheap.

[Jayson_Cohen]

@Jay Miller

@p@ulbortin

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

Yes, that was Steve Plotnicki. Stuart Yaniger opened one for him and he went on a quest for it, driving up auction prices to what then seemed absurd levels but now seem cheap.

Some urban legend are true.

[Rauno_E_NZ]

I remember Steve and Stuart! Do they still post anywhere? Some interesting “discussions” with Klapp back in the day I seem to recall…

[Mike_Evans]

@Jay Miller

@p@ulbortin

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

Yes, that was Steve Plotnicki. Stuart Yaniger opened one for him and he went on a quest for it, driving up auction prices to what then seemed absurd levels but now seem cheap.

The first Côte Rotie I ever tried was the 1991 Jamet, which began a long love affair with Northern Rhone syrah, so it has always been very special to me. I bought most of my 1991 Jamet from a local retailer’s Kacher allocation from its original release, but about 15 years ago I realized that I was running low and decided to try to restock. I ended up in a bit of a bidding war with Steve on Winebid, where I knew I was bidding against him but I doubt he knew it was me on the other side. I ultimately won the lot for about $100/bottle, which was painful (the other 10 or 12 I bought at retail were about $30 each) but fair for the quality. In hindsight, I feel better about the purchase.

[Paul_Jaouen]

@Rauno E (NZ)

I remember Steve and Stuart! Do they still post anywhere?

I don’t know about Stuart but I thought Steve got thrown off every board he posted on. Well deserved too.

[Nathan_V]

@Jayson Cohen

@Jay Miller

@p@ulbortin

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

Yes, that was Steve Plotnicki. Stuart Yaniger opened one for him and he went on a quest for it, driving up auction prices to what then seemed absurd levels but now seem cheap.

Some urban legend are true.

Yaniger had cases of the stuff. I wonder if he still does. He bought them for like $15 bottle at the Marché in Ampuis.

[Nathan_V]

@Mike Evans

@Jay Miller

@p@ulbortin

Jamet 91 has always been tough. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full case for sale. Word has it that someone in nyc snapped up most of the US allocation years ago.

Yes, that was Steve Plotnicki. Stuart Yaniger opened one for him and he went on a quest for it, driving up auction prices to what then seemed absurd levels but now seem cheap.

The first Côte Rotie I ever tried was the 1991 Jamet, which began a long love affair with Northern Rhone syrah, so it has always been very special to me. I bought most of my 1991 Jamet from a local retailer’s Kacher allocation from its original release, but about 15 years ago I realized that I was running low and decided to try to restock. I ended up in a bit of a bidding war with Steve on Winebid, where I knew I was bidding against him but I doubt he knew it was me on the other side. I ultimately won the lot for about $100/bottle, which was painful (the other 10 or 12 I bought at retail were about $30 each) but fair for the quality. In hindsight, I feel better about the purchase.

If I was you, I’d hold on to 1 or 2 and sell the rest as it is probably getting a little long in the tooth…

[Jay_Miller]

@Paul Jaouen

@Rauno E (NZ)

I remember Steve and Stuart! Do they still post anywhere?

I don’t know about Stuart but I thought Steve got thrown off every board he posted on. Well deserved too.

He wasn’t so bad if you knew how to take him. Knowing his posting style it was easy to be amused rather than annoyed when he started up. Funniest was when Dressner use an exact copy of Steve’s posting style against Steve on the Opinionated About board. He got thrown off for that . Good times…

[Jay_Miller]

@Rauno E (NZ)

I remember Steve and Stuart! Do they still post anywhere? Some interesting “discussions” with Klapp back in the day I seem to recall…

From what I understand Steve is mostly occupied with Opinionated About Dining these days. Haven’t heard anything about Stuart in years.