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#1 Post by Kent Comley » September 10th, 2020, 12:27 am

It looks to be a pretty strong vintage with good ripeness and fleshy wines.

Here's one to start the ball rolling.

2018 Forey Pere et Fils Vosne-Romanee
Lovely dark cherry and raspberry fruit, with whiffs of violets and some subtle spice. Texture is great, nicely ripe tannins, make the palate silky and elongated. It is very, very accessible at this early juncture and is a real joy to drink.
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#2 Post by Marcus Dean » September 10th, 2020, 1:36 am

I am waiting for my Arnoux allocation to get a read on the vintage, I tried a Leroux Bourgogne Rouge and I found it too ripe and a little bit modern for me (not over ripe or roasted, but just a bit over worked for a BR).

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#3 Post by Kent Comley » September 10th, 2020, 2:36 am

I have some Leroux BR from 15-17 but can't actually recall trying one. The 17 Bourgogne Blanc however is sensational and I went back and bought some more of those.
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#4 Post by Greg K » September 10th, 2020, 3:47 am

I’ve tried a couple of 18s and confirmed my suspicions from barrel that rather than a strong vintage, it’s an unpredictable minefield. One producer I’ve been buying for years made wines that made me think of Sonoma Pinot. It’s been a very easy pass for me, especially given the tariffs.
I think for people who prefer a riper style, or are looking to dip a toe into Burgindy from California, this is the right vintage.
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#5 Post by William Kelley » September 10th, 2020, 5:48 am

Have opened a couple at home out of curiosity before beginning to taste in earnest at the domaines... 2018 Duroché LSJ showed nicely, very perfumed and pretty and elegant, though with the sun-kissed core of fruit that is one of the vintage's signatures. Bouchard's emblematic cuvées turned out well. And last week, on the white side of the ledger, the Paul Pillot Caillerets really delivered, a serious wine with considerable upside. Taken as a whole, it's not my favorite recent vintage though, that's clear.
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#6 Post by Greg K » September 10th, 2020, 6:34 am

William Kelley wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 5:48 am
Have opened a couple at home out of curiosity before beginning to taste in earnest at the domaines... 2018 Duroché LSJ showed nicely, very perfumed and pretty and elegant, though with the sun-kissed core of fruit that is one of the vintage's signatures. Bouchard's emblematic cuvées turned out well. And last week, on the white side of the ledger, the Paul Pillot Caillerets really delivered, a serious wine with considerable upside. Taken as a whole, it's not my favorite recent vintage though, that's clear.
I’ve actually liked the whites better than the reds, which I did not expect! Paul Pillot, Dancer and Carillon, for example, all made really nice wines.
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#7 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » September 10th, 2020, 6:56 am

I’ve been a fan of the ones I’ve opened so far, mostly Marc Roy.

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#8 Post by Jayson Cohen » September 10th, 2020, 8:38 am

Greg K wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 3:47 am
One producer I’ve been buying for years made wines that made me think of Sonoma Pinot.
Since you are being politique, I won’t guess. But if I did, given the house style, I understand why 2018 is not the vintage to buy.

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#9 Post by Greg K » September 10th, 2020, 9:03 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
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Greg K wrote:
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One producer I’ve been buying for years made wines that made me think of Sonoma Pinot.
Since you are being politique, I won’t guess. But if I did, given the house style, I understand why 2018 is not the vintage to buy.
Actually probably not who you think! I am not a fan of making negative comments about good producers; these are people I've met, whose wines I generally really like, and it's their livelihood. Besides which, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure some people will really like the wines.
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#10 Post by brodie thomson » September 10th, 2020, 2:02 pm

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Taken as a whole, it's not my favorite recent vintage though, that's clear.
Hi William, is your comment driven because of the overall ripeness of the vintage? Or it is other factors? Curious!

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#11 Post by William Kelley » September 10th, 2020, 10:53 pm

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Taken as a whole, it's not my favorite recent vintage though, that's clear.
Hi William, is your comment driven because of the overall ripeness of the vintage? Or it is other factors? Curious!

thnx Brodie
In short, yes. You just really taste the sunshine. The 2018 vintage experienced 290 more sunlight hours (i.e. about 30% more) between May and September than the average. Plenty of producers overcame the risk of making rustic monsters, but it's much harder to overcome the sucrosity of fruit that I'd be inclined to attribute to all that sunshine. It wouldn't surprise me if the better wines become much more classic with 15 years bottle age, but 2018 reds are not generally wines I'm going to be reaching for to drink young—which simply reflects my personal taste.
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#12 Post by Brady Daniels » September 10th, 2020, 11:09 pm

William Kelley wrote:
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In short, yes. You just really taste the sunshine. The 2018 vintage experienced 290 more sunlight hours (i.e. about 30% more) between May and September than the average. Plenty of producers overcame the risk of making rustic monsters, but it's much harder to overcome the sucrosity of fruit that I'd be inclined to attribute to all that sunshine. It wouldn't surprise me if the better wines become much more classic with 15 years bottle age, but 2018 reds are not generally wines I'm going to be reaching for to drink young—which simply reflects my personal taste.
Funny, I felt this way about 2009 en primeur and for a year or two after. But, IMHO they came around nicely, though we really won’t know for another five or ten years. I learned my lesson and had more faith in 2015.

I suspect 2018 is in a different league altogether.
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#13 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 11th, 2020, 3:06 am

My only 2018s, Rossignol Trapet, are stuck in England until tariffs are over. I bought lightly, only Rossignols as I knew it was a big, heady vintage, not usually my style.

Normally I pull out a couple of bottles to try on arrival, to determine when to drink. Sadly that is not happening.
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#14 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » September 11th, 2020, 3:32 am

Brady Daniels wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 11:09 pm
William Kelley wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 10:53 pm
In short, yes. You just really taste the sunshine. The 2018 vintage experienced 290 more sunlight hours (i.e. about 30% more) between May and September than the average. Plenty of producers overcame the risk of making rustic monsters, but it's much harder to overcome the sucrosity of fruit that I'd be inclined to attribute to all that sunshine. It wouldn't surprise me if the better wines become much more classic with 15 years bottle age, but 2018 reds are not generally wines I'm going to be reaching for to drink young—which simply reflects my personal taste.
Funny, I felt this way about 2009 en primeur and for a year or two after. But, IMHO they came around nicely, though we really won’t know for another five or ten years. I learned my lesson and had more faith in 2015.

I suspect 2018 is in a different league altogether.
I've really enjoyed a lot of 09s lately, even higher level grand cru, but certainly you won't be getting tertiary characteristics yet. I think a lot of them are drinking fantastically.

I'm pretty high on 18, but I also like the style. 19s sound like they will be tremendous.

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#15 Post by William Kelley » September 11th, 2020, 3:34 am

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19s sound like they will be tremendous.
So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her best vintage to date.
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#16 Post by Tom Reddick » September 11th, 2020, 10:50 am

Anyone have initial thoughts on Drouhin? My only high end red 2018 acquisitions to date.
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#17 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » September 11th, 2020, 12:02 pm

Tom, Claude Kolm has reviewed these

https://the-fine-wine-review.blogspot.c ... d.html?m=1
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#18 Post by Alan Rath » September 11th, 2020, 12:15 pm

William Kelley wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:34 am
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September 11th, 2020, 3:32 am
19s sound like they will be tremendous.
So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her best vintage to date.
Any other vintage you would compare 19 to?
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#19 Post by kristofstevens » September 11th, 2020, 12:45 pm

Greg K wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 3:47 am
I’ve tried a couple of 18s and confirmed my suspicions from barrel that rather than a strong vintage, it’s an unpredictable minefield. One producer I’ve been buying for years made wines that made me think of Sonoma Pinot. It’s been a very easy pass for me, especially given the tariffs.
I think for people who prefer a riper style, or are looking to dip a toe into Burgindy from California, this is the right vintage.
I think a minefield is a good description. I have been tasting at several domaines last year and there were soms surprises in both directions. Very often I tasted wines with alcohol heat in the finish with insufficient amounts of fruit to backen the alcohol. And the difficult thing was that at some wineries this was 0 or 1 cuvée, in others 4 or 5 cuvées so tasting is important in 2018.

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#20 Post by Kent Comley » September 11th, 2020, 4:24 pm

2018 Fabien Coche Bourgogne Rouge
Lovely succulent red and black fruits, some oak notes adding sweetness. texture is good and has reasonable structure and density. Very good drink and makes me think '18 is agood restaurant vintage with teh lower level wines performing well, with ripeness almost a given.
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#21 Post by Jeremy Holmes » September 11th, 2020, 4:44 pm

I worked through the Forey, Lucien Jacob and Cerberon range of '18's yesterday. The ripeness of the vintage is evident but I really enjoyed the wines. There is flesh and lusciousness and an expressiveness now. I suspect they will be a bit like 2009. Requiring extended bottle age to show their full potentials.
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#22 Post by Tom Reddick » September 11th, 2020, 10:33 pm

Rauno E (NZ) wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 12:02 pm
Tom, Claude Kolm has reviewed these

https://the-fine-wine-review.blogspot.c ... d.html?m=1
Thank you x 2 - first for the reviews and second for letting me know Claude was still reviewing wine. I was a subscriber once upon a time, and then he and I lost touch. Very glad to know he is still at it. We did not chat very often, but there have been a number of critical points where he gave incredible advice.
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#23 Post by William Kelley » September 12th, 2020, 1:33 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
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Anyone have initial thoughts on Drouhin? My only high end red 2018 acquisitions to date.
Only tasted from barrel samples that had been prepared some time in advance, and there were questions about how fresh the samples were...
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#24 Post by Andrew K. » September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am

Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
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#25 Post by Nick Gangas » September 12th, 2020, 10:16 am

Andrew K. wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?

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#26 Post by Greg K » September 12th, 2020, 10:20 am

Nick Gangas wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:16 am
Andrew K. wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?
I have 2 cases of 2015 white burg and have wondered if that’s too much, lol.
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#27 Post by Mattstolz » September 12th, 2020, 10:39 am

Andrew K. wrote:
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Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
so whens the 2018 Burg party?

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#28 Post by Andrew K. » September 12th, 2020, 11:07 am

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so whens the 2018 Burg party?
Probably in a few years. But definitely not until these tariffs are gone and I can import the bulk of it from Europe.
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#29 Post by Andrew K. » September 12th, 2020, 11:30 am

Nick Gangas wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:16 am
Andrew K. wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?
Yeah I think I went a bit overboard. Just been buying what looks good, not really counting. But it looks like only 400 including reds.
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#30 Post by Kent Comley » September 16th, 2020, 2:52 pm

2018 Lucien Jacob Savigny-Les-Beaune
This is all cherry fruit, red and black of good density. Yes it's ripe but not too ripe. There's some real sinew to the back end, good tannic backbone and medium plus acidity. A baby, but outstanding at this level.
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#31 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » September 16th, 2020, 3:03 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:16 am
Andrew K. wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?
I wish you good fortune in the wars (premox) to come...

That’s more than all the whites in my entire cellar not counting champagne haha

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#32 Post by Mattstolz » September 16th, 2020, 3:17 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 3:03 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:16 am
Andrew K. wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Although I have north of 500 bottles of 2018 Burg in the cellar or on the way, the Lion's Share are all white. Maybe I missed some, but I don't think most of the Reds have been released yet. Basically the only GC I have is the MM GE.
you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?
I wish you good fortune in the wars (premox) to come...

That’s more than all the whites in my entire cellar not counting champagne haha
luckily, with 40 cases of whites, a loss of a single soldier is a statistic, not a tragedy?

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#33 Post by Greg K » September 16th, 2020, 3:32 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
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you have close to 40 cases of whites in one vintage ?
I wish you good fortune in the wars (premox) to come...

That’s more than all the whites in my entire cellar not counting champagne haha
luckily, with 40 cases of whites, a loss of a single soldier is a statistic, not a tragedy?
I think the odds of it being a single soldier are pretty unlikely!
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#34 Post by Markus S » September 16th, 2020, 6:10 pm

Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
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#35 Post by m. ristev » September 16th, 2020, 8:41 pm

my only 2018 red burg purchase clocks in at 11.5% [whistle.gif]
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#36 Post by Kent Comley » September 16th, 2020, 10:45 pm

Is a sample set of one sufficiently large to predict an outcome with high confidence?
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#37 Post by William Kelley » September 16th, 2020, 11:22 pm

Markus S wrote:
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Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
About tariffs?
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#38 Post by Howard Cooper » September 17th, 2020, 5:24 am

William Kelley wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:34 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:32 am
19s sound like they will be tremendous.
So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her best vintage to date.
Wow. That sounds really impressive. She has made some wonderful wine over the years. I was at her cellars in 2011 (before she moved to MSD) and tasted through her wonderful 2010s. If the 2019s are better than her 2010s, my only comment is WOW.
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#39 Post by William Kelley » September 17th, 2020, 6:20 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 5:24 am
William Kelley wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:34 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:32 am
19s sound like they will be tremendous.
So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her best vintage to date.
Wow. That sounds really impressive. She has made some wonderful wine over the years. I was at her cellars in 2011 (before she moved to MSD) and tasted through her wonderful 2010s. If the 2019s are better than her 2010s, my only comment is WOW.
She told me that 2019 is the first vintage where, right after harvest when the wines were just put in barrel, she was 100% happy with all her choices and how everything had turned out.
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#40 Post by Markus S » September 17th, 2020, 6:35 am

William Kelley wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 11:22 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
About tariffs?
Not sure about that, but it tasted ripe. Not looking forward to it's sister red at 14.5%...those comparisons of Burgundy-Barolo might not be that far off!
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#41 Post by Peter C. » September 17th, 2020, 6:40 am

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It looks to be a pretty strong vintage with good ripeness and fleshy wines.

Here's one to start the ball rolling.

2018 Forey Pere et Fils Vosne-Romanee
Lovely dark cherry and raspberry fruit, with whiffs of violets and some subtle spice. Texture is great, nicely ripe tannins, make the palate silky and elongated. It is very, very accessible at this early juncture and is a real joy to drink.
Very interesting, did Forey change their style? I've always found their village wines need 15 years to show well, kind of hard and ungiving early on. Or is it just a product of the vintage?
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#42 Post by Howard Cooper » September 17th, 2020, 7:01 am

William Kelley wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 6:20 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
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So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her best vintage to date.
Wow. That sounds really impressive. She has made some wonderful wine over the years. I was at her cellars in 2011 (before she moved to MSD) and tasted through her wonderful 2010s. If the 2019s are better than her 2010s, my only comment is WOW.
She told me that 2019 is the first vintage where, right after harvest when the wines were just put in barrel, she was 100% happy with all her choices and how everything had turned out.
Sounds fabulous. She is a great winemaker.
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Re: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!

#43 Post by William Kelley » September 17th, 2020, 7:17 am

Markus S wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 6:35 am
William Kelley wrote:
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Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
About tariffs?
Not sure about that, but it tasted ripe. Not looking forward to it's sister red at 14.5%...those comparisons of Burgundy-Barolo might not be that far off!
14.5% in the Hautes Côtes! Even in 2018 you had to work to do that...

2018 whites are generally pretty average in alcohol levels, since yields were enormous and people picked quite early. But, of course, there were exceptions...
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#44 Post by Kent Comley » September 17th, 2020, 6:56 pm

Peter C. wrote:
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Kent Comley wrote:
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It looks to be a pretty strong vintage with good ripeness and fleshy wines.

Here's one to start the ball rolling.

2018 Forey Pere et Fils Vosne-Romanee
Lovely dark cherry and raspberry fruit, with whiffs of violets and some subtle spice. Texture is great, nicely ripe tannins, make the palate silky and elongated. It is very, very accessible at this early juncture and is a real joy to drink.
Very interesting, did Forey change their style? I've always found their village wines need 15 years to show well, kind of hard and ungiving early on. Or is it just a product of the vintage?
Hi Peter,
I have only been acquainted with Forey wines in the last 12 months, so can't really comment, but I must say despite teh accessibility of this wine I think it will be really wonderful and better in 15 yrs.
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#45 Post by Tom Reddick » September 17th, 2020, 10:47 pm

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Anyone have initial thoughts on Drouhin? My only high end red 2018 acquisitions to date.
Only tasted from barrel samples that had been prepared some time in advance, and there were questions about how fresh the samples were...
Thank you. I guess I will have to try them out when they arrive. Biggest order was Clos St. Denis which rarely gets reviewed anyway. I am hopeful- Drouhin seems to pull off good results in vintages like this. Fingers crossed.
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#46 Post by Jürgen Steinke » September 18th, 2020, 2:01 am

If 2018 is like 2009 I would be happy because many 2009 are way more civilized as they had been early on. And I liked the wines young also. Of course not all of them but most. Frankly I do not understand that fear when the fruit is ripe. If the evolution of the vines is blocked due to water stress that is a different story. But even many 2003 red Burgundies were and are fine.

The best recent vintage I have tasted is 2016. That is really a classic vintage with ripe fruit and good but not too much acid. The same in Bordeaux and Tuscany. Delicious. But I like 2009 too.

I have hard times to understand why people prefer 2008 Burgundies in comparison to 2009 i.e. But ok – that is life.

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#47 Post by Kent Comley » September 18th, 2020, 5:29 pm

Some 08s were fabulous but others are a bit hollow and too acid driven. Some 09s were over ripe and showed hard tannins but in general I would rather have a cellar full of 09s. The one thing that makes riper vintages so good is the enhanced quality at lower levels where full ripeness is achieved whereas in cooler years the grapes struggle to ripen. The Lucien Jacob that I wrote about earlier could be a premier cru cote de units from a cooler vintage for a quarter of the price. Works for me
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#48 Post by Peter Valiquette » September 18th, 2020, 5:55 pm

William Kelley wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 11:22 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
About tariffs?
That's funny, I recently opened a 2018 Didier Fornerol Cote de Nuits Village where the front label had a little white sticker placed over the original alcohol percentage and the back label claimed 14.1%.

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Re: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!

#49 Post by William Kelley » September 19th, 2020, 3:07 am

Peter Valiquette wrote:
September 18th, 2020, 5:55 pm
William Kelley wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 11:22 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Had a white Hauts Cote de Nuit at 14% alcohol. Tells you much you need to know.
About tariffs?
That's funny, I recently opened a 2018 Didier Fornerol Cote de Nuits Village where the front label had a little white sticker placed over the original alcohol percentage and the back label claimed 14.1%.
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One of the brokers I buy from in Burgundy sells a lot to US gray market importers, and he now mentions in the subject line of his email offers if the alcohol level is labeled at more than 14%...
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#50 Post by Andrew Hamilton » September 21st, 2020, 5:37 am

For a minute I didn't think I'd have much to contribute to this thread but I realised I have looked at a quite few '18 reds at the Marchand & Burch 2018 Burgundy tasting a couple weeks ago here in Perth. I don't expect these wines are made differently than Marchand-Tawse '18s, but I could easily be wrong. Regardless, 12 red burgs were served at the event, from their entry level Bourgogne up to a handful of 1ers.

From a broad brush stroke my impressions are very similar to others that posted here. It's a warm vintage but I didn't detect overripe fruit or any jammy wines. I did find that the wines that carried less or no stem inclusion were oozing with red fruit and much more generous when compared to those with stems. I can also see how the ripeness of the wines could lead some to feel they're more comparable to the new world instead of Burgundian but my feel is that they still have that core of tension that many to most new world wines don't show, at least to my palate.

And while it's not the direct topic of the thread, they also poured a single '18 white Burgundy, a SLB Les Vergelesses 1er which was absolutely delicious and had good richness and tension/verve for miles. Granted it was served after two Great Southern Chardonnays so the competition wasn't too stiff. On the flip side I had a '18 white Bourgogne from an 'up and coming' producer later in the week after the tasting and I was a bit surprised at just how broad shouldered it was.

I just went and collected my first of the '18s today from the distributor, mostly Bouchards. Didn't buy too much of the vintage at all but I'm looking forward to check in on a bottle or two in the next few weeks once they're settled in the cellar.
That sounds about right.
Probably for the best.
They had a good run.

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