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#1 Post by Jim Stewart » July 15th, 2019, 10:29 am

What have been some pizza and wine pairings that you have especially enjoyed?

Pizza is diverse in flavors, ranging from the simple to the gourmet and complex. Even a cheese and tomato pizza can be quite special! Lots of folks go with beer, me included. I am going to make an effort to start pairing a wine with our weekly pizza haul - we take out a small cheese, a pepperoni, and a garlic pizza just about every Tuesday evening in the summer. Piece or two of each; good for a few meals.
Bonus question: What wine might work with our three pizzas?
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#2 Post by Markus S » July 15th, 2019, 11:17 am

Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 10:29 am
What have been some pizza and wine pairings that you have especially enjoyed?

Pizza is diverse in flavors, ranging from the simple to the gourmet and complex. Even a cheese and tomato pizza can be quite special! Lots of folks go with beer, me included. I am going to make an effort to start pairing a wine with our weekly pizza haul - we take out a small cheese, a pepperoni, and a garlic pizza just about every Tuesday evening in the summer. Piece or two of each; good for a few meals.
Bonus question: What wine might work with our three pizzas?
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#3 Post by JLee » July 15th, 2019, 11:43 am

It's not cheap but Krug GC with NY style pizza is one of my all time favorite pairings.
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#4 Post by Anton D » July 15th, 2019, 11:45 am

The biggest tightest most tannic new release cab or Bordeaux goes nicely with a cheesy greasy pizza.

Mmmmm.
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#5 Post by GregT » July 15th, 2019, 11:47 am

Or a goopey Pinot Noir!

But the OP defined three things as pizza. We make pizza once or twice a week just because it's so easy and fast. Our version is the traditional one - some dough with stuff on it. Not always anything tomato-related, and never mozzarella or pepperoni or green vegetables or God forbid, pineapple.

But pretty much whatever cheese is in on hand and maybe some pieces of meat, esp ham, and lately since there's so much basil around, some pesto.

With those things, we've had virtually every type of wine, white, red, and rosé. With the pepperoni thing, I can't imagine. Maybe Zin. But pepperoni is so greasy and depending on who made it, maybe it's really spicy or not at all. And mozzarella is so bland and tasteless once it's melted, you might want a crisp white. If there's a lot of tomato sauce, and it's made in a sweet style for some reason, I'd go with a GSM, which would actually pair with any of your styles.
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#6 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » July 15th, 2019, 11:49 am

Of course it depends on the pizza, but in general; youngish Champagne, Tuscan wines without much oak and mature Red Burgs.
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#7 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 15th, 2019, 11:49 am

So for any typical red sauce pizza toppings (e.g. pepperoni, sausage, onions) I absolutely love the 'Flora & Fauna Red Wine' from Idlewild (formerly known as 'The Bird'). I have opened cases of this wine with pizza, and it is always great.
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#8 Post by Yao C » July 15th, 2019, 11:55 am

FWIW I've always enjoyed Southern Rhones (e.g. Tempier, Pignan) with pizza

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#9 Post by Paul Jaouen » July 15th, 2019, 11:55 am

I usually always go with Barbera but sometimes will go with a Rosso di Montalcino or Chianti.
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#10 Post by PeterH » July 15th, 2019, 12:05 pm

For Neapolitan style pizza my favorite pairing is Fiano do Avellino.
As far as pairing all three of your pizza selections, white or rose will work with the garlic. I think it takes a robust red to stand up to garlic, so not Chianti or Pinot Noir.
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#11 Post by Tom DeBiase » July 15th, 2019, 12:14 pm

We make pizza often, actually my pizza wizard wife does. After living in NJ all our lives she decided that California pizza just doesn't cut it. Actually it sucks big time :). She changed that by making her own.

Our go to pizza wine is Idlewild Fauna and Flora Red Wine. The combo of early picked Dolcetto, Barbera and Nebbiolo is perfect with virtually any pizza type.

Here is the wine and a few of the pizza. There are many many more.

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#12 Post by Tim Heaton » July 15th, 2019, 1:30 pm

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#13 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 15th, 2019, 1:38 pm

In general, I prefer rose with pizza.
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#14 Post by KenL. » July 15th, 2019, 1:56 pm

When I worked a season at a restaurant in France, my coworker from Milan always insisted we order a dry rose to go with pizza.
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#15 Post by YLee » July 15th, 2019, 3:38 pm

I don't have a favorite so I will mention the last wine I had with pizza. Malbec.
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#16 Post by Bob Hughes » July 15th, 2019, 3:53 pm

For us, usually Chianti or Brunello.

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#17 Post by Kirk.Grant » July 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 10:29 am
What have been some pizza and wine pairings that you have especially enjoyed?

Pizza is diverse in flavors, ranging from the simple to the gourmet and complex. Even a cheese and tomato pizza can be quite special! Lots of folks go with beer, me included. I am going to make an effort to start pairing a wine with our weekly pizza haul - we take out a small cheese, a pepperoni, and a garlic pizza just about every Tuesday evening in the summer. Piece or two of each; good for a few meals.
Bonus question: What wine might work with our three pizzas?
Jim,

I'm usually a fan of Oregon Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais, Trousseau, and that Blueberry wine you tasted at the Vertical dinner with most pizza. The garlic is going to be the toughest part in this pairing in my mind. For me I'd want something like Chablis of Sancerre with that slice. We're gearing up for the wedding party with family this weekend and I will be opening your gift to share with our family. I just wanted to say thank you again.
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#18 Post by Kirk.Grant » July 15th, 2019, 4:01 pm

Tim Heaton wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 1:30 pm
Lambrusco di Sorbara
ohhh, good call. I'll have to give this one a spin the next time we order pizza.
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#19 Post by Brian Gilp » July 15th, 2019, 4:06 pm

For pizza with tomato sauce or better yet, sliced fresh tomatoes, I prefer Lacryma Christi del Vesuvio. The greater the proportion of Piedirosso the better. If you start piling on meats like sausage or pepperoni then a basic aglianico can be nice.

We often have a white pizza with bacon and mushrooms from a local place that is difficult to match because of the garlic in the ricotta sauce. If they cook it well then the garlic isn’t as strong and a Sonoma or central coast pinot can be fine but often I go with a white like fiano or Greco.

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#20 Post by Jim Stewart » July 15th, 2019, 4:42 pm

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Kirk.Grant wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm
Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 10:29 am
What have been some pizza and wine pairings that you have especially enjoyed?

Pizza is diverse in flavors, ranging from the simple to the gourmet and complex. Even a cheese and tomato pizza can be quite special! Lots of folks go with beer, me included. I am going to make an effort to start pairing a wine with our weekly pizza haul - we take out a small cheese, a pepperoni, and a garlic pizza just about every Tuesday evening in the summer. Piece or two of each; good for a few meals.
Bonus question: What wine might work with our three pizzas?
Jim,

I'm usually a fan of Oregon Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais, Trousseau, and that Blueberry wine you tasted at the Vertical dinner with most pizza. The garlic is going to be the toughest part in this pairing in my mind. For me I'd want something like Chablis of Sancerre with that slice. We're gearing up for the wedding party with family this weekend and I will be opening your gift to share with our family. I just wanted to say thank you again.
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Our pleasure. And thank you again.
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#21 Post by Nathan Smyth » July 15th, 2019, 4:47 pm

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#22 Post by Kirk.Grant » July 15th, 2019, 4:56 pm

Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 4:42 pm
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Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 10:29 am
What have been some pizza and wine pairings that you have especially enjoyed?

Pizza is diverse in flavors, ranging from the simple to the gourmet and complex. Even a cheese and tomato pizza can be quite special! Lots of folks go with beer, me included. I am going to make an effort to start pairing a wine with our weekly pizza haul - we take out a small cheese, a pepperoni, and a garlic pizza just about every Tuesday evening in the summer. Piece or two of each; good for a few meals.
Bonus question: What wine might work with our three pizzas?
Jim,

I'm usually a fan of Oregon Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais, Trousseau, and that Blueberry wine you tasted at the Vertical dinner with most pizza. The garlic is going to be the toughest part in this pairing in my mind. For me I'd want something like Chablis of Sancerre with that slice. We're gearing up for the wedding party with family this weekend and I will be opening your gift to share with our family. I just wanted to say thank you again.
Kirk,
Our pleasure. And thank you again.
Wishing you joyous times.
Best -Jim & Jacqueline

P.S. I'll be interested in your "impressions"
I always do my best to post notes from gifts. I will be sure to post my impressions here after next weekend. I'm very excited to try it.
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#23 Post by Jim Stewart » July 15th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Anton D wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 11:45 am
The biggest tightest most tannic new release cab or Bordeaux goes nicely with a cheesy greasy pizza.

Mmmmm.
Hmmmm.
I think you could be messin' with me, but I am too often suspicious so I am going to give this suggestion a try. Thanks!
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#24 Post by Anton D » July 15th, 2019, 5:10 pm

Jim Stewart wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:03 pm
Anton D wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 11:45 am
The biggest tightest most tannic new release cab or Bordeaux goes nicely with a cheesy greasy pizza.

Mmmmm.
Hmmmm.
I think you could be messin' with me, but I am too often suspicious so I am going to give this suggestion a try. Thanks!
I think you're gonna like it! [cheers.gif]

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#25 Post by Randy Bowman » July 15th, 2019, 8:21 pm

Cheese pizza, Amarone
Pepperoni pizza, Bodegas Carchello
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#26 Post by Steve Brickley » July 15th, 2019, 8:35 pm

Ridge Zin with pepperoni pizza.
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#27 Post by Andrea V. » July 15th, 2019, 9:07 pm

I would typically go with beer, but if we drink wine it is often an approachable Chianti (Nipozzano Vecchie Viti is my go-to weekday Chianti, a great value).
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#28 Post by Renato S. » July 15th, 2019, 9:31 pm

I’m usually a pizza and beer guy.....but will try the suggestions here.

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#29 Post by JohnP » July 16th, 2019, 12:00 am

JLee wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 11:43 am
It's not cheap but Krug GC with NY style pizza is one of my all time favorite pairings.
Another vote for this pairing. However, vintage Barolo with white truffle white pizza is my all time fav.
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#30 Post by Greg Mitrakas » July 16th, 2019, 5:16 am

Probably the best food wine pairing I have had in 2019 was a marguerita pizza at Lucalis with 1999 Soldera Brunello

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#31 Post by mark rudner » July 16th, 2019, 7:14 am

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can you explain your use of "ACTUAL" in the op?
i do love a fuller bodied rose with most pizza, but young champagne works really well

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#32 Post by kyledorsey » July 16th, 2019, 7:20 am

One go-to for me is the SP68 bottling from Occhipinti. Fresh and delicious, nice with all things tomato.

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#33 Post by Dan Hammer » July 16th, 2019, 8:54 am

They say everything goes with pizza. Take a look > viewtopic.php?f=8&t=156785
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#34 Post by Mike DiSalvo » July 16th, 2019, 9:02 am

Bob Hughes wrote:
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For us, usually Chianti or Brunello.
Bob, over the years you have posted countless wine tasting notes on wines you opened with pizza. Those weren't lost on me and probably many others here and on other boards. Hopefully, you were able to save and archive some of those tasting notes.

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#35 Post by Jim Stewart » July 16th, 2019, 9:26 am

mark rudner wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 7:14 am
jim
can you explain your use of "ACTUAL" in the op?
i do love a fuller bodied rose with most pizza, but young champagne works really well
Thanks for asking and I am sure you are not alone. Yeah, maybe not the best wording, but by "actual" I meant not a "theoretical" wine and pizza pairing, not looking for one that "should work", but one that you have "actually" had yourself and enjoyed. I put it in caps as "ACTUAL" to try and draw attention to what I was looking for. I am pretty sure my phrasing missed the mark with some folks, others seemed to have deciphered my intent. All good either way!
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#36 Post by mark rudner » July 16th, 2019, 10:27 am

Jim Stewart wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 9:26 am
mark rudner wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 7:14 am
jim
can you explain your use of "ACTUAL" in the op?
i do love a fuller bodied rose with most pizza, but young champagne works really well
Thanks for asking and I am sure you are not alone. Yeah, maybe not the best wording, but by "actual" I meant not a "theoretical" wine and pizza pairing, not looking for one that "should work", but one that you have "actually" had yourself and enjoyed. I put it in caps as "ACTUAL" to try and draw attention to what I was looking for. I am pretty sure my phrasing missed the mark with some folks, others seemed to have deciphered my intent. All good either way!
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#37 Post by Anton D » July 16th, 2019, 10:35 am

Another great ACTUAL paring...

A Rafanelli zin or cab with pizza is a wonder for the palate to behold.

Rafanelli cabs still have that wild brambliness I have loved all along, and the zins mesh so well with a good crust.
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#38 Post by Jim Stewart » July 16th, 2019, 11:47 am

Thanks for all the good ideas so far. I have already been influenced enough to go get two wines that were recommended a couple of times each. Tonight is Tuesday Pizza, and we'll be drinking the Lambrusco di Sorbara on the right.
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#39 Post by Thomas Keim » July 16th, 2019, 1:03 pm

I love Barbera Frizzante or Bonarda Frizzante with Pizza - slightly chilled of course -
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#40 Post by Morten Båtbukt » July 16th, 2019, 1:10 pm

I love a fresh and fruity wine with most of the pizzas we make, but I haven’t been making a lot of very Italian pizzas lately. Pizza bianca (sour cream and mushroom sauce) with potatoes, red onions and comté is awesome with pinots, Beaujolais and many reds from the Jura (duh!). Pizza bianca (same sauce for all my biancas) with minced pork mixed with ginger, garlic and soy sauce and “burnt” kale is great with a chardonnay with low oak influence, gruner veltliner and other whites with a good mouthfeel.

For more traditional pizzas I reach for the same suggestions that others have mentioned (Chianti, Rosso di Montalcino etc.). Young sangiovese pairs really well with melted cheese and tomato.

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#41 Post by Tom O » July 16th, 2019, 4:06 pm

If red pizza I'm usually leaning towards a Zin which for me is a Bedrock or Ridge. White pizza I'll usually pull out a Pinot. If I convince myself pizza is Italian I'll break out a Chianti or <insert favorite Italian wine here>.
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#42 Post by Dan Kravitz » July 16th, 2019, 6:37 pm

A long time favorite match:

Red sauce pizza with anchovies, bacon, clams and/or mussels, and spinach, paired with Gattinara, Ghemme or Carema.

A recent favorite with the same pizza, commercial post, I import some of these wines:
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#43 Post by todd waldmann » July 16th, 2019, 7:44 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
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Of course it depends on the pizza, but in general; youngish Champagne, Tuscan wines without much oak and mature Red Burgs.
If she knew you Ray, my wife would blame you for me always pairing Champagne with pizza. I hadn't thought of it until reading some of your posts a long time ago on the Parker board. champagne.gif It's my favorite, though I agree with minimally oaked Tuscan Sangiovese. I haven't tried Red Burg.

I also enjoy pairing dry rosé and am completely intrigued by the Lambrusco suggestion, especially with any pizza with pepperoni and/or Italian sausage....
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#44 Post by Mark Henderson » July 17th, 2019, 3:36 am

Not quite pizza (many recipes are more an onion tart) but can be made like one; the southern French pissaladiere.
Lots of slow cooked onions, anchovies, olives, sun dried tomatoes (and you could probably add capers).
I find this goes really well with a more earthy style of Côtes du Rhône.

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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#45 Post by Jim Stewart » July 17th, 2019, 7:32 am

We gave a Lambruso di Sorbara a try last night with this week’s pizza. Cleto Chiarli Vecchia Modena, 11% ABV. We were eating “al fresco” on the back porch, but it was more like “al humido” as the dewpoint and temp were high. My solution was to ice bucket the wine, which had already been refrigerator-chilled. Bad move! Tom Keim had already given me the clue “slightly chilled of course” in his post above (which I ignored of course). Very dry, approaching austere, with a tartly fruit/acid/ almost vinegary taste (but it was very cold at least!). The evening’s warmth fortunately knocked the chill off the poured glasses quickly enough for a not atypical duh/aha moment “Hey, wait a minute, this wine tastes a lot better when it is not so cold”.
The wine is almost rosé in color; watermelon might a better color descriptor. Very slightly fizzy, so much so that you could almost count the individual bubbles surfacing in the glass . . . there’s one, there’s another one, etc. It’s a pretty wine in the glass. Once “de-iced”, the wine became smoother and more balanced. Still dry, and with a pleasant tart fruit flavor taking prominence. Very good match for our tomato sauced cheese and pepperoni pizzas. Less successful with the garlic pizza.
Tasty. Enjoyable. Recommended. Slightly chilled of course.
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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#46 Post by G. Keeler » July 17th, 2019, 9:06 am

Almost every week we make dough on Sunday to make pizza on Monday. My 4 and 6 year olds are now into it and they help prep and put toppings on. I'm not much of a beer guy anymore so it's always wine with pizza in our house. Some of our favorites:

- We don't make it often, but when we go basic red sauce with salami or sausage we tend to go with Etna Rosso (Tenuta delle Terre Nere, or Benanti does the trick). Of course Barbera, Dolcetto, Rosso di Montalcino all work well. A few weeks ago I went off the board and opened a 2018 Jolie-Laide Gamay Barsotti Vineyard that was fun with a red sauce pie.
- White pizza with prosciutto and arugula is one of our go to pies and we like Lambrusco or a good dry rose with this. Great pairing.
- White pizza with potato, leeks and goat cheese is another favorite and I haven't found a better pairing than a crisp Sancerre.
- When I can get interesting mushrooms we make a white pizza with roasted garlic, mushrooms and herbs. We really like this with Trousseau and usually have a Sandlands or Arnot Roberts around to pair. A lighter burgundy also has worked well.
- This time of year when our garden is producing we make a lot of veggie pizza's with a white base, fresh cherry tomatoes, summer squash, roasted onions, roasted garlic and herbs. This we have found to be friendly with most whites and rose. Last week we opened a Alzinger Grüner with it that was perfect.
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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#47 Post by Jeff Vaughan » July 17th, 2019, 10:02 am

With pizza (actually with most foods), I like wines with higher acidity. Chianti and Brunello usually. I also like Nebbiolo. Sometimes a higher acid white like Sancerre, Verdicchio, Soave and an occasional crisp rose of Canaiuolo or Pinot, depending on what's on the pizza.
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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#48 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » July 17th, 2019, 10:13 am

todd waldmann wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 7:44 pm
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 11:49 am
Of course it depends on the pizza, but in general; youngish Champagne, Tuscan wines without much oak and mature Red Burgs.
If she knew you Ray, my wife would blame you for me always pairing Champagne with pizza. I hadn't thought of it until reading some of your posts a long time ago on the Parker board. champagne.gif It's my favorite, though I agree with minimally oaked Tuscan Sangiovese. I haven't tried Red Burg.

I also enjoy pairing dry rosé and am completely intrigued by the Lambrusco suggestion, especially with any pizza with pepperoni and/or Italian sausage....
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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#49 Post by Jim Stewart » July 18th, 2019, 3:37 pm

Finished up the Lambrusco di Sorbara tonight and I'll add one observation to my previous note. There was something in the taste that I noticed before but could not put words to when I first tasted it. I think it has a little bit of subdued lambic beer taste, where the tart is approaching sour and cidery. For those who know the wine, does this ring true to you?
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Re: Favorite ACTUAL pizza and wine pairings

#50 Post by Jim Stewart » August 21st, 2019, 2:46 pm

deadhorse as usual . . .

Opened the "more than once" recommended 2017 Idlewild "The Bird" Red last week with pizza. Seemed a little harsh and acidic to me although ample fruit seemed to be there also. Kept it re-corked in the fridge and finished the last big glass today with leftover pizza. This wine was now absolutely "on point" for the pizza. Bright tasty fruit, subdued acid, smooth, balanced. Delicious. The wine stepped up and shook hands with the pepperoni the cheese and the garlic! Gonna buy a few more bottles. About $20.
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