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Decent Chardonnay reccos?

#1 Post by Paul McCourt » May 31st, 2019, 12:40 pm

Having a couple folks out for the weekend and they are chard drinkers, which neither my wife or I don't really drink often. I'm familiar with the higher-end stuff, but since they also manage to put away lots of wine so I need reccos on say, $25-ish bottles. Suggestions?

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#2 Post by R. Frankel » May 31st, 2019, 12:45 pm

Do you know if they like California, French, or perhaps Oregon chardonnays?
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#3 Post by Paul McCourt » May 31st, 2019, 12:49 pm

R. Frankel wrote:
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Do you know if they like California, French, or perhaps Oregon chardonnays?
I know one of them is a Cougar Juice woman. Not sure of the other two. I'm guessing Cali.
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#4 Post by Jim Stewart » May 31st, 2019, 12:51 pm

We have recently enjoyed a 2017 Fevre Champs Royaux Chablis and a 2017 Drouhin St Veran, both were under $20. Fevre Domaine Chablis is a bit more and a bit better than the Champs Royaux IMO.

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#5 Post by Anton D » May 31st, 2019, 12:56 pm

Be sure to try one wine trick: Pour Charles Shaw chard into a nice bottle and see if they like it.

Getting onto the topic....

Grgich is great, I don't know the exact price, but it is easily available.

Duckhorn is pretty good.

BR Cohn might fit the profile.

Trying to think of things easily available on the shelves....

Ferrari Carano is a pretty safe call, as is Mondavi at that price point.

Don't hate on me, but Mer Soleil Chardonnay, Silver, Unoaked chard is quaffable.
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#6 Post by Nathan Smyth » May 31st, 2019, 1:03 pm

Roughly where will you be purchasing this wine?

[The name of the specific store would help...]

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#7 Post by Paul McCourt » May 31st, 2019, 1:06 pm

Probably somewhere in NYC.
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#8 Post by Tom DeBiase » May 31st, 2019, 1:12 pm

The 2017 Lioco Sonoma County Chardonnay is very good and can be easily found for less than $20.00. Its $22.00 at the Winery - Tasting Room

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#9 Post by Brian Gilp » May 31st, 2019, 1:34 pm

Anton D wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 12:56 pm
Don't hate on me, but Mer Soleil Chardonnay, Silver, Unoaked chard is quaffable.
The wife brought one of these home recently and we both found it undrinkable. Bad bottle possibly but if there was a flaw, it wasn’t one I’m familiar with. Not sure if vintage but think it’s the current one.

For the OP, both Stonestreet and Miner should work and satisfy the cougar juice crowd but I think they run a few dollars above $25.

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#10 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 31st, 2019, 1:37 pm

Hartford Court, all day (but at grocery stores, where it's cheaper than Total Wine/Bevmo/shops, typically)
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#11 Post by Ron Erickson » May 31st, 2019, 1:42 pm

Second on the St Veran. Freemark Abbey is often overlooked in this price range.

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#12 Post by Brian Gilp » May 31st, 2019, 1:42 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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Hartford Court, all day (but at grocery stores, where it's cheaper than Total Wine/Bevmo/shops, typically)
Forgot about this one. Agree with the rec and have used it for similar situations in the past.

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#13 Post by YLee » May 31st, 2019, 2:43 pm

Hartford court as well.
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#14 Post by Doug Schulman » May 31st, 2019, 2:58 pm

Paul McCourt wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 12:49 pm
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May 31st, 2019, 12:45 pm
Do you know if they like California, French, or perhaps Oregon chardonnays?
I know one of them is a Cougar Juice woman. Not sure of the other two. I'm guessing Cali.
Many of the suggestions are quite far from what this crowd would want. Anton's list is solid, as is the Hartford Court rec. I'll add Mount Eden's entry level, which should be around the price you're looking for and is well made for the style. Really, it isn't worth overthinking this. I'd just go to a decent wine shop and ask for a big, oaky chardonnay.
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#15 Post by RichardFlack » May 31st, 2019, 3:00 pm

Agree with all the above, especially ‘it depends’. (Oak or not, full body or not)
‘Chardonnay’ is a very broad church indeed.
Not sure about US pricing but in addition to the above some that should be fairly widely available but here’s a couple more.

In Cali - Sonoma Cutrer Russian River is decent and inexpensive .
South Africa - Hamilton Russell
(Almost) any 2014 Chablis 1er Cru Fevre, Laroch, Brocard (perhaps not the Vau de Vey), Billaud Simon etc
Drouhin-Vaudon Chablis should also be below your price point
Roche de Bellene Saint Romain

Does it HAVE to be Chardonnay? A South African Chenin Blanc might open some eyes (Mullineux old vines for example).

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#16 Post by John Ammons » May 31st, 2019, 3:14 pm

Brian Gilp wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 1:34 pm
Anton D wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 12:56 pm
Don't hate on me, but Mer Soleil Chardonnay, Silver, Unoaked chard is quaffable.
The wife brought one of these home recently and we both found it undrinkable. Bad bottle possibly but if there was a flaw, it wasn’t one I’m familiar with. Not sure if vintage but think it’s the current one.

For the OP, both Stonestreet and Miner should work and satisfy the cougar juice crowd but I think they run a few dollars above $25.
Anton is the last guy I'd ever hate on, but I too was unfortunate enough to encounter this recently and it was disgusting.

I second the Mt Eden recommendation. And at just a touch more than $25, the Walter Hansel chards could fit the bill.

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#17 Post by Anton D » May 31st, 2019, 3:20 pm

John Ammons wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 3:14 pm
Brian Gilp wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 1:34 pm
Anton D wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 12:56 pm
Don't hate on me, but Mer Soleil Chardonnay, Silver, Unoaked chard is quaffable.
The wife brought one of these home recently and we both found it undrinkable. Bad bottle possibly but if there was a flaw, it wasn’t one I’m familiar with. Not sure if vintage but think it’s the current one.

For the OP, both Stonestreet and Miner should work and satisfy the cougar juice crowd but I think they run a few dollars above $25.
Anton is the last guy I'd ever hate on, but I too was unfortunate enough to encounter this recently and it was disgusting.

I second the Mt Eden recommendation. And at just a touch more than $25, the Walter Hansel chards could fit the bill.
Wow, I gotta seriously revisit this.

We tried it about 4-5 years ago and it was a pleasant little glass filler.

Now I gotta go get one and see.

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#18 Post by Joshua Kates » May 31st, 2019, 4:04 pm

Oregon: Walter Scott La Combe Vert, can be found <$30. Best single chard I've had at this price range.

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#19 Post by GregP » May 31st, 2019, 4:07 pm

Anton D wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 12:56 pm
Be sure to try one wine trick: Pour Charles Shaw chard into a nice bottle and see if they like it.
Many years ago the late Greg Walter did this, in a BLIND setup, with 4 or 5 Chard afficionados (he carefully picked them). ALL of them voted 2BC as WOTN. Almost came to a fist fight upon unveiling. So, there is that.
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#20 Post by M. Dildine » May 31st, 2019, 4:51 pm

Try the Brosseau (Chalone AVA), 2017.
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#21 Post by Mar3 Koslowsky » May 31st, 2019, 5:58 pm

+1 for sure on the Hamilton Russell. Best QPR Chard on the planet

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#22 Post by Paul McCourt » May 31st, 2019, 7:20 pm

Hartford Court it is. Picked some up and a couple of bottles of Rom Cougar Juice thrown in for good measure. And a bottle of Dumol, which I haven’t had in years, for moi.

And a 2010 Smith Haut Lafitte because, well, you know, it was there, I was there, I was already buying stuff...you know how it is...

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#23 Post by OwenB » May 31st, 2019, 8:28 pm

Jordan is always good and reasonably priced
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    #24 Post by dsimmons » June 1st, 2019, 10:51 am

    My pick at $25 would be the Walter Hansel Estate Chard.
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    #25 Post by L.Cole » June 1st, 2019, 11:33 am

    dsimmons wrote:
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    My pick at $25 would be the Walter Hansel Estate Chard.
    Absolutely agree with this. Hard to beat for the money. Also Ramey Russian River or Sonoma. Great chard’s as well.
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    #27 Post by Nathan Smyth » June 1st, 2019, 1:25 pm

    Paul McCourt wrote:
    May 31st, 2019, 12:49 pm
    I know one of them is a Cougar Juice woman. Not sure of the other two. I'm guessing Cali.
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    Probably somewhere in NYC.
    Dude.

    Throw them cougars in the SUV, and take them winery hopping on the North Fork.

    Or, if they're closer, the Fingerlakes.

    Them broads will have the time of their lives.

    Wine country is really gorgeous this time of year.

    And after the second or third winery, they won't be able to tell the difference between Chardonnay and Single Malt Scotch.

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    #28 Post by Anton D » June 1st, 2019, 1:26 pm

    dsimmons wrote:
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    My pick at $25 would be the Walter Hansel Estate Chard.
    A great pick, as well!
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    #29 Post by Howard Cooper » June 1st, 2019, 1:36 pm

    I recently had an Italian Chardonnay from Tuscany that would be perfect. Lamelle Chardonnay from the Il Borro estate. Very clean wine. No oak flavors. Pretty.
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    #30 Post by JDavisRoby » June 1st, 2019, 5:04 pm

    Just got a call from a friend looking for this same type recommendation. I suggested the Mount Eden Edna Valley Chardonnay. Best Cali Chard under $25 in my opinion.
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    #31 Post by Mike Kuller » June 2nd, 2019, 11:37 am

    My wife is a chardonnay drinker.

    From Costco, I get her Ferrari-Carano, Landmark Overlook and Neyers, all under $25.

    The Neyers is usually the best one.

    Sonoma-Cutrer Russian River isn't bad.

    Depending on the year, Kendall Jackson's area specific chardonnays (like Monterey) are good.

    Their $10 2015 Vintner's Reserve was excellent. Not as good in 2016 and we haven't yet tried the 2017.
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    #33 Post by Frank Murray III » June 2nd, 2019, 2:08 pm

    Paul, the MATTHIASSON Linda Vista from Napa is excellent, usually around 28-30 bucks. It's made in a crisper cleaner style, sans all the vanilla, glycerine and junk like that.

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    #34 Post by Paul McCourt » June 2nd, 2019, 5:37 pm

    Frank Murray III wrote:
    June 2nd, 2019, 2:08 pm
    Paul, the MATTHIASSON Linda Vista from Napa is excellent, usually around 28-30 bucks. It's made in a crisper cleaner style, sans all the vanilla, glycerine and junk like that.

    Here is a link if you want to see the wine I am talking about.... https://www.matthiasson.com/wines/detai ... a-vineyard
    I haven’t had their chard, but I have enjoyed their rose
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    #35 Post by Alex N » June 2nd, 2019, 7:16 pm

    I had to Google "cougar juice". Haha. I think there are plenty of $20 wines that fit that bill.
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    #36 Post by JDavisRoby » June 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm

    Alex N wrote:
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    I had to Google "cougar juice". Haha. I think there are plenty of $20 wines that fit that bill.
    I first heard that term a few years back over lunch with Justin Harmon of Argot. Immediately died laughing and knew exactly what kind of Chardonnay he was referencing.
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    #37 Post by Robert M yers » June 9th, 2019, 8:00 pm

    Since this thread is still going I was thinking Ramey rrv could please a wide range of people, although it’s been a couple of years since I’ve had it.

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    #38 Post by Howard Cooper » June 10th, 2019, 4:39 am

    Frank Murray III wrote:
    June 2nd, 2019, 2:08 pm
    Paul, the MATTHIASSON Linda Vista from Napa is excellent, usually around 28-30 bucks. It's made in a crisper cleaner style, sans all the vanilla, glycerine and junk like that.

    Here is a link if you want to see the wine I am talking about.... https://www.matthiasson.com/wines/detai ... a-vineyard
    A few years ago I had an unusual problem using a Matthiasson Chardonnay for a work event. As part of our summer associate social program, we had a chef come in to teach us to cook a few dishes and to discuss food and wine pairings. I was asked to buy wines based on certain categories he laid out but did not know his purposes for the comparisons he wanted to make. For one category, I was asked to buy a French Chablis and a California Chardonnay. Once I got to the event, I saw that what he wanted was to show how the Chablis tasted better with the food than did an oaky Chardonnay. Well, the Matthiasson I got was not an oaky Chardonnay but a very well balanced wine that went beautifully with the food. The chef seemed disappointed (that he could not show his comparison) but also impressed with how beautifully made the Chardonnay from Matthiasson was. A very long way of saying excellent suggestion Frank. [winner.gif]
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    #39 Post by Lee Short » June 12th, 2019, 7:55 pm

    Paul McCourt wrote:
    June 2nd, 2019, 5:37 pm
    Frank Murray III wrote:
    June 2nd, 2019, 2:08 pm
    Paul, the MATTHIASSON Linda Vista from Napa is excellent, usually around 28-30 bucks. It's made in a crisper cleaner style, sans all the vanilla, glycerine and junk like that.

    Here is a link if you want to see the wine I am talking about.... https://www.matthiasson.com/wines/detai ... a-vineyard
    I haven’t had their chard, but I have enjoyed their rose
    +1. Very nice rose.

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