As the 2011 red and white burgundies are showing up and available for consumption - lets get a list of wines that you’ve found Greenie Meanies (GM). What I’ve tasted thus far from 2011 have been enjoyable and easy drinking. I think there’s an accepted definition for this GM phenomena, "Pyrazine like flavors and/or scents - overtly green and chemical in nature - overt high toned broccoli - also can be described as crushed lady bugs. This should not including stem like flavors/scents that are a part of the wines from producers whom use stems during vinification. Allen Meadows added a nice quote about the taint here (in issue #53 - speaking about 2004 red burgs), “chemical compounds called methoxypyrazines (“MPs”) that are released in the hemolymph (a rough equivalent of blood) of two different species of ladybird (meant ladybug???) beetles”. A study is quoted in this issue which says that any bug taint may take 6-12 months after bottling to show.
I’ll start this thread out with a report on the 2011 PY Colin-Morey Meursault Perrieres from a couple of weekends ago with Charlie Fu. This wine was fabulous and maybe lacking some acidity from memory but pure and true. No GMs.
Please report back here with your thoughts on the 2011 red and white burgundies. I’ll try and get a list together as we go on this 1st post of wines/producers that seem to have problem or not with the Greenie Meanies! CHEERS
P.S. – Some notes: 1) tracking this over time should be helpful, and 2) hopefully the collective wave of “-” or “+” votes will give us some piece of mind as to where many of these wines will end up (ie. like 2004s or not).
List of 2011 Producers and specific wines:
- and - next to each producer/wine. + meaning (YES = Greenie Meanies present) and - (NO = Greenie Meanies NOT present).
For the wines during EP in London (January 2013): - per Dan Bailey
P.Amiot
– MSD: -
– Aux Charmes: -
– Millandes: -
– Ruchotes: -
– Combottes: -
– CdlR: -
l’Arlot
– Suchots: -
– Clos des Forets: -
Armand
– Volnay Fremiets: -
Audoin
–Marsannay Salomon: -
–Marsannay Longeroies: -
–Marsannay Ragonneau: -
Bachelet
– Bourgogne: -
– Cotes de Nuits: -
– Gevrey VV: - - (slight green)
– Corbeaux: -
– Charmes Chambertin: -
Ballorin
– Nuits-St-Georges Les Damodes: +
Bart
– Marsannay Les Finottes: - (slight)
Maison Joseph Beuane
– Clos de Mouches: -
– CM 1er: -
Bertheau (Rot in 2011 per Roberter P.?)
– 1er: - (VA maybe) -
– Charmes: - (VA maybe), -/+ (slightly per Don C.) - (stems)
– Bonnes Mares: -
– Amoureuses: - -(something off though)
Bize
– Guettes: - (stems though per Robert)
– Vergelesses: - (stems though per Robert) - (slightly green)
– Forneaux: - (stems though per Robert)
– Aloxe-Corton Le Suchot: - (stems though)
Henri Boillot
– PM 1er Cru Clos de la Mouchere: - - -
– Volnay 1er Cru Chevret: +
– Volnay 1er Cru Fremiets: -
– Volnay 1er Cru Caillerets: -
– Corton Charlemagne: -
– Meursault Genevrieres: - -
Louis Boillot
– Gevrey village: - (slight green)
– Volnay Brouillards: - (slight green)
– Cote de Nuits village: -
– Volnay Grand Poisots: -
– Volnay Angles: -
Bouchard
– Le Corton: -
– Beaune Greves Vigne l’Enfant Jesus: -
– Clos de Vougeot: -
– Savigny Les Lavieres: -
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
– Chevalier Montrachet: -
– Corton Charlemagne: -
– Meursault Genevrieres: -
– Montrachet: - -
Brun Terres Dorees
–Brouilly: - (some bell pepper scents)
Cathiard (all good per Gangas)
– VR village: - -
– VR Orveaux: -
– Malconsorts: -
Chandon de Briailles – Wines in General: - per Alan
– Bourgogne “Louise”: -
– Aux Fourneaux: -
– Lavières: + (unripe stems?)
– Savigny: - (stems for sure)
– Pernand VergelessesIle de Vergelesses: - (stems for sure)
Champy
– Savigny-Lès-Beaune Aux Fourches: - (slight green)
– Pernand Vergelesses Les Vergelesses: -
– Pernand VergelessesIle de Vergelesses: -
– Beaune 1er Les Champs: -
– Bourgogne Aligote: -
– Pernand Vergelesses Les Belles Filles: -
– Pernand Vergelesses En Caradeux: -
– Beaune Les Reversees: -
– Corton Charlie: -
Chassorney
– Saint Romain Sous Roche: -
Chevillon
– Perrieres: -
– NsG VV: - (greenish stems per A.Chan?)
Chezeaux
– Gevrey village: + (per Kevin)
Bruno Clavelier
– Bourgogne Rouge: -
– Chambolle Les Corbeaux: -
– Chambolle Musigny La Combe d’Orveaux: -
– Chambolle Musigny Les Noirots: -
– Corton Rognets: -
– Nuits-Saint-Georges Aux Cras: -
– Vosne Romanee Aux Brulee: -
– Vosne Romanee Hautes de Beaux Monts: -
– Vosne Romanee Les Beaux Monts: -
– Vosne-Romanee La Combe Brulee: -
– Vosne-Romanee La Montagne: -
– Vosne-Romanee Les Hautes Maizieres: -
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
P Clement
– Savigny Guettes: + (post 227)
Clos de la Chappelle
– Volnay 1er En Carelle: -
– Clos de la Chapelle: -
– Pommard les Chanlins: -
Sebastien Dampt (Chablis)
– GC Bougros: -
– GC Le Clos: -
Vincent Dauvissat
– Le Clos: - + - -
– Forest: - - + per Kevin&Kevin
DRC
– VR 1er Duvault-Blochet: -
– Echezaux: -
– Grands Echezeaux: - (Some floral notes…not GM)
– Corton: -
– RSV: - -
– Richebourg: - -
– La tache: - (Definite stem notes, but not GM) -
– Romanee Conti: - -
Drouhin
– CdNuits aoc: -
Dublere – Wines in General: - per Howard
– MSD Blanchards: - -
– Beaune 1. cru Blanches Fleur: -
– Nuits-Saint-Georges Busselots: -
– Savigny-Les-Beaune 1er cru: -
– Savigny-Les-Beaune: -
– Volnay Les Pitures: -
– Volnay Taillipeids: -
– Chablis Preuses: -
– Chassagne Montrachet Chaumes: - -
– Chassagne Montrachet Chenevotte: -
– Les Millerandes: -
– Meursault Les Crotots: -
– Nuits St. Georges Blanc: -
– Savigny Les Vergeless Blanc: -
– Chablis Preuses: -
– Corton Charlemagne: -
Dupont-Tisserandot
– Gevrey Chambertin VV: -
– Charmes Chambertin: -
– Corton Rognets: -
– Lavaux St. Jacques: -
– Cazetieres: -
– Petite Chapelle: -
– GC VV: -
– Mazis: -
Dujac
– Gevrey Chambertin village: -
– Morey St. Denis village (Domaine): - - + - + - (stems)
– Combottes: - - - - + (per Kevin)
– Malconsorts: -
– Clos St. Denis: -
–Clos de la Roche: - - - -
– Bonnes Mares: - (some floral notes)
F.Esmonin
– Estournelles: -
– Lavaux St Jacques: -
– Clos Prieur: - (slight green per A.Chan)
Faiveley – Wines in General: - per Alan
– Mazis: -
– Clos des Cortons: - -
Felettig
– Nuits St. George: -
Nathalie et. Gilles Fevre
– Vaulorent: -
– Mont de Milieu: -
– Les Preuses: -
W.Fevre – Wines in General: - per Alan
– Chablis village: - -
– Preuses: -
– Bougros cote Bougerots: -
Fichet
– Meursault Tesson: -
Forey
– Bourgogne Rouge: - (greenish stems?)
– Gaudichots: - -
– Petits Monts: -
– Clos Vougeot: -
– Echezeaux: -
– Nuits St. Georges village: -
– NSG Perrieres: -
– NSG Les St. Georges: -
– Vosne Romanee village: -
Fourrier
– Clos Salon: - - -
– Aux Echezeaux: -
– GC VV: - - - - - (slight green per Corey Miller)
– Gruenchers: -
– Cherbaudes: - - -
– Goulots: -
– Champeaux: -
– Combes aux Moines: - -
– Clos St. Jacques: -
– Griottes: -
Alex Gambal
– Chorey-les-Beaune: -
– Vosne VV: -
JJ Girard
– Pernand Vergelesses 1er Cru Il des Vergelesses: +
– Pernand Vergelesses 1er Cru Les Fichots: -
– Aloxe Corton: + (per S. Perdue)
J Girardin
– Borgogne VV: -
Giroud (- in general per M.Mathes)
– GC Les Crais: -
– Savigny Les Peuillets: -
H. Gouges
– NsG village: -
Jean Grivot (all good per Gangas)
– Clos de Vougeot: -
– Echezeaux: -
– Les Beaux Monts: -
Groffier (all good per Gangas)
Anne Gros (all good per Gangas)
– Bourgogne Rouge: -
– Chambolle Musigny: -
– Clos de Vougeot: -
– Echezeaux: -
– Hautes Cotes de Nuits: -
– Richebourg: -
– Vosne Romanee: -
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
– Hautes Cotes de Nuits Blanc: -
Gros Frere et Soeur
– Grands Echezeaux: -
– Richebourg: -
Guillemot
– Savigny les Beaune Les Narbantons: + (unripe phenolics?)
– Savigny Grands Picotins: -
Hudelot-Baillet
– Chambolle Les Cras: -
Hudelot-Noellat (GCs x3 negative per M.Mathes)
–Bourgogne: -
–Beaumonts: - -
–CM Charmes: -
–CM village: - - -
–VR village: -
–Murgers: - - (stems though)
–Suchots: -
Ilan – Wines in General: + or - per Howard and his travel group, - per Alan, - per Tim Thomas
Jadot
– Beaune 1er Bressandes: -
Antoine Jobard
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
– Bourgogne Aligote: -
– Meursault Charmes: -
Remi Jobard
– Meursault Narvaux: -
H. Jouan
– MSD VV: + - -
Lafarge
– Volnay VS: - -
– Clos des Chenes: -
Laleure-Piot
– P-V Creux de la Net: -
– Chorey les Beaune: -
H.Lamy
– Wines in General: - per Don C.
–Chataigners: -
–Princee: -
–Tremblots: -
–Chateniere: -
–Remilly: -
–Macherelles: -
–Meix: -
Lafon – Wines in General: - per Howard
D.Leflavie
– Puligny Pucelles: -
Liger-Belair
– Vosne Romanee village: -
– Clos du Chateau: - - - - -
– Colombiere: - - -
– Lavieres: -
– Cras: -
– Brulees: -
– Petit Monts: -
– Reignots: -
– Chaumes: -
– Suchots: - -
– Echezeaux: - -
– La Romanee: - -
Clos de Lambrays
– Clos de Lambrays: -
– PM Caillierets: -
B. Leroux
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
Stephane Magnien
– MSD Les Faconnières: -
M. Mallard
– Corvee: -
– Aloxe Corton Toppe au Vert: -
– Corton Marechaudes: -
– Corton Rognet: -
– Corton Renards: -
– Ladoix Grechons blanc: -
– Corton Charlemagne: -
Maratray-Dubreuil
– P-V Iles des Vergelesses: -
Marchand
– Gevrey Fonteny: + -
Maroslavac-Leger
– PM Corvess des Vignes: -
Meo-Camuzet (all good per Gangas)
– Echezeaux: -
– Brulees: -
C. Moreau
– Vaillons: -
– Valmur: - -
– Vaudesir: -
– Clos: - -
– Clos des Hospice: -
Pierre Morey
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
Morey-Coffinet
–Bourgogne rouge: -
Mortet
– GC VV: - -
– Champeaux: -
Mugneret-Gibourg
– Bourgogne: - -
– VR village: - + + (slightly) - - + - (bit of bitterness) -
– Chaignots: - - - - - - -
– Feusselots: -/+ (slightly per Don C.) - (some floral notes) - -
– GC 1er: -
– Ruchottes: -
– Clos Vougeot: -
– Echezeaux: -
Mugnier (all good per Gangas)
– Chambolle Musigny: -
– CM Fuees: -
– NSG CdMarechale Rouge: - - -
– Bonnes Mares: -
– Amoureuses: -
– Musigny: -
– NSG CdMarechale Blanc: -
Philippe Pacalet
– Bourgogne Rouge Vieilles Vignes: -
– CM village: -
– Charmes Chambertin: -
– Chambolle Musigny 1er: - -
– Echezeaux: - -
– Gevrey Chambertin Bel Air: - -
– Gevrey Chambertin village: -
– Lavaux St. Jacques: -
– Nuits-Saint-Georges: - -
– Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er: -
– Pommard 1er: -
– Bourgogne rouge: -
– Pommard Les Arvelets: -
– Ruchottes Chambertin: - -
– VR Chaumes: -
– Nuits St. Georges blanc: -
– Beaune Perrieres: -
– GC Les Perrieres: -
– Puligny village: - -
– Chassagne Montrachet village: -
– St. Aubin Les Murgers des Dents: -
– PM Champs Gain: -
– Corton Charlemagne: - -
– Meursault village: -
– Meursault Perrieres: -
D.Pavelot
– Daminode: -
– Savigny Les Beaune 1er Cru Aux Gravains: -
– Savigny Les Beaune 1er Cru Les Lavieres: -
P.Pernot – Wines in General: - per Don C. (whites only)
– Clos du Deuses des Marconnets: + (per Anthony Y.)
– PM Folatieres: -
Perrot-Minot (entire line-up “-” per C.Delpin)
PYCM – Wines in General: - per Don C.
– Bourgogne Blanc: + (slight per PaulJ)
– Saint Aubin Le Banc: - -
– Saint Aubin Champlots: -
– Meursault Perrieres: - - -
– Meursault Genevrieres: - -
– Meursault Charmes: -
– PM Caillerets: -
– PM Champs Gain: -
– PM Folatieres: -
– CM Chevenottes: -
– CM Caillerets: -
– CM Ancegnieres: -
– Corton Charlemage: -
– Santenay VV Ceps Centenaires: -
Poisot
– Corton Bressandes: -
– Romanee-Saint-Vivant: -
– Corton Charlemage: -
Ponsot
–MSD 1er: -
Pousse d’Or (all good per Gangas)
– Bousse d’Or: -
– Bonnes Mares: -
– CdlR: -
Raveneau
– Le Clos: -
– Butteaux: - (maybe slight)
Rossignol – Wines in General: - per Alan
– Aloxe Corton: -
– Volnay: -
– Pommard 1er Chaponiere: -
–Santenots: -
–Caillerets: - -
–Chanlins: -
–Chevret: - -
–Clos des Mouches: - (stems per Robert)
–Clos du Roy: -
–Heritiere: - -
–Bourgogne: - - -
–Ronceries: - - -
–Fremiers: -
Roulot – Wines in General: - per Alan
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
Ramonet
– C-M aoc: -
– P-M aoc: -
Roche de Bellene
– Bourgogne VV rouge: -
Rousseau:
– Chambertin: -
– Chambertin Clos de Beze: -
– Charmes Chambertin: -
– Clos de la Roche: -
– Clos Saint Jacques: -
– Gevrey Chambertin: -
– Laveaux Saint Jacques: -
– Mazis Chambertin: -
– Ruchotte Chambertin: -
M. Roy
– GC Clos Prieur: - - -
Sauzet – Wines in General: - per Don C.
Serafin
–GC village: -
–GC VV: -
R Sirugue
– Chambolle Les Mombies: -
– Grands Echezeaux: -
– Vosne Les Petits Monts: -
–Vosne Romanee: -
– Vosne Romanee VV: -
Trapet
– Latricieres: - (slightly green)
Tremblay
– Cabottes: - -
Vogue
– Chambolle Musigny: - - -
– Chambolle Musigny 1er: - - -
– Amoureuses: - -
– Bonnes Mares: - - -
– Musigny: - - -
– Bourgogne Blanc: -
LIST THROUGH POST #338 – Domaines now in semi-alphabetical order -